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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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vinceha

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Since the update, any generative AI + masks I have applied are automatically resetting every time I leave the photo or switch modules. This means I have to constantly "update AI settings" for each photo and this is exhausting.

johnrellis

Legend

LR 14 introduced a severe bug where LR wouldn't properly save the AI settings for masking and Remove. Adobe says that LR 14.0.1 fixes it, but there might be additional steps you might have to take (see the second reply):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requesting-an-update/idi-p/14915210

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wa-so

Participating Frequently

Am I missing something, or has the opacity slider disappeared completely in the removal tool?

johnrellis

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@wa-so: "Am I missing something, or has the opacity slider disappeared completely in the removal tool?"

The new user-interface design of the Remove tool in LR 14 makes it very easy to miss. After you click Remove, it will appear with the other controls that let you modify the removal:

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wa-so

Participating Frequently

Oh yes, you're right!
Quite hidden compared to the previous version.

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steven30428533bjee

Participant

Doesn't work any more. Tried to remove a picture that was hanging from a wall - it just replaced it with another picture. How does this get through QA? Put it back how it was please.

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Sydney17505080cms9

Participant

Hi - I've been using the generative features of LC for 6 months or so, replacing complex items from images easily with great results. Very recently, it's not been working, I feel since LC started making the selcted area uch larger. Items are removed from images but leave a completely messed up area, as in this image, before and after. I wanted to remove a slim white pole. I selected the pole with a little extra but LC turned this into a much larger area, including the sign board at the bottom of the pole. See what LC did with the removal. Am I doing something wrong?

MacBook Pro 13" 2023, IOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Lightroom Classic 14.0.1

johnrellis

Legend

@Sydney17505080cms9: "since LC started making the selcted area uch larger. Items are removed from images but leave a completely messed up area, as in this image, before and after. I wanted to remove a slim white pole. I selected the pole with a little extra but LC turned this into a much larger area, including the sign board at the bottom of the pole. See what LC did with the removal. Am I doing something wrong?"

In both LR 13 and 14, I often get better results unchecking Detect Objects, especially with long skinny things like lines and poles. Remove almost always does better with some border around the object, but often Detect Objects makes it too big.

Retry with it unchecked. But if that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

SidewaysSyd

Participating Frequently

@SidewaysSyd: "I had no idea about unchecking Detect Objects"

See this article for an excellent introduction to how to use Remove effectively:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

As the article says, "Like any tool, you need to know how to use it properly to get the best results." I don't think Adobe is doing a very good job at helping people learn the tool.

"The pole was removed ok, but the word 'restaurant' on the awning behind has been corrupted."

Yeah, Remove doesn't do as well trying to generate fill-replacements for words. It usually generates gibberish "letters" in the same color and font style. (I haven't seen other tools able to do words reliably either.)

But surprisingly in this case, on my third try I was able to replace the pole cleanly, minimize the visual distortion to the sides of the pole, and get a pretty good replacement for the missing letters in "RESTAURANT" and the chalk board:

The things I did to make this happen:

1. Uncheck Detect Objects. It's too crude for such fine control.

2. Brush straight lines using the same method as with other LR brushes: Click at one end, shift-click at the other.

3. Pick a width that's just a little bit wider than the pole but not too wide. I used two straight lines, for for the pole, one for the white sign at the top of the pole.

Here's what the brush stroke on the pole looks like:

I've attached the original JPEG you posted saved with the Develop settings containing the Remove brush strokes -- you can import it into your LR and go to the Remove tool to see the exact brush strokes.

Thanks John. I never read anything about generative removal - I just tried by trial and error but learned how to do the simple things I need it to do. So I will read that lightroomqueen article. But I do agree that something has changed as shown by the many complaints from people. Thanks for the downloads

sakipo54272919

Participant

Remove, we usually want to remove an object and we selct it as precide as possible. But the remove process brings a red dyed area, which is much larger than what we want to remove. So this program thinks we do lousy job to identify what as to be removed. I am not lousy.
Second, I still see the object I want to remove in the generative removal. I have to try more times proposals. And after 4-6 times a totally remoed proposal comes. Why not as first one?

C.Cella

Inspiring

@sakipo54272919 When using Objects Detect Remove the selections is "auto expanded" about 500 pixels compared to the real selection.

The underlying idea is that the larger the area the better the Remove will be as hopefully shadows, reflections and other elements that need to be removed will be included in the auto expand.

It is actually better to paint the area ourselves than trust this auto expand that might include areas we don't need to remove OR not include shadows, reflections, connected parts.

You can chage the color of the overlay to what you want.

If you needed to refresh several times to get a usable results it might be either becasue (1) the area to remove was not painted big enough (2) without instructions Ai can only guess what to generate so doens't know waht you need.

Please report the variations you got using the … menu in the selected Gen Remove.

The reports will be sent directly to Adobe for analysis, that's the best method to train better the Ai.

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DRS69

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After the latest update (October 2024) the remove feature in LrC doesn't do anything. I do get three options to choose from, but nothing has chnaged in the photo. I have restarted LrC several times, but it doesn't do any good. I have the generative AI box checked as well as the content aware box. When I load the photo into PS the lasso tool and Generative fill do a great job of removing objects. However, I cannot get LrC to remove something as simple as a light pole.

johnrellis

Legend

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@jimbessette: "A month or so ago this was working suberbly for me. Now, it doesn't remove anything. I try to remove a simple line in a photo and all it does is replace the line in almost exactly the same place."

@DRS69: "After the latest update (October 2024) the remove feature in LrC doesn't do anything. I do get three options to choose from, but nothing has changed in the photo."

Make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

You'll have to make at least one brush stroke to see the slider. A fair number of people have reported that the slider gets set to less than 100 without them changing it, and the new UI design makes it harder to see the current value.

If this doesn't help, please post back here and we can move to the next troubleshooting step.

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jimbessette

Participant

WHAT HAPPENED???!??!!! A month or so ago this was working suberbly for me. Now, it doesn't remove anything. I try to remove a simple line in a photo and all it does is replace the line in almost exactly the same place. A month or so ago, I removed all kinds of telephone wires from a photo with excellent results. Now this is USELESS to me! Put it back the way it was a month ago, PLEASE!

AndreapennA Photography

Participant

And now just wait for the support team to tell you to read the "article" on how to use it.
Like they broken it and try to put the blame on you!
I reverted back to the 13.5 - OMG what a shamble of release!

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jimbessette

Participant

How does one revert back?

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Jim Bessette
jimbessette@gmail.com

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Tobias28833591mb33

Participant

Seit dem letzten Update funktioniert das KI Entfernen Tool nicht mehr, wenn ich zuvor etwas in einer Maske Bearbeitet habe. Z.B. habe ich den Himmel Optimiert und will jetzt noch einen Teil von Meinem Blitz Reflektor ausschneiden. Da nimmt dann das Entfernen Tool der KI einen Ausschnitt vom unbearbeitetn himmel und setzt eine komplette Linie. Das geht GAR NICHT und muss sofort behoben werden.

johnrellis

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@Tobias28833591mb33: "Since the last update, the AI removal tool no longer works if I have previously edited something in a mask. For example, I have optimized the sky and now want to cut out part of my flash reflector."

This is not new to LR 14 -- LR 13 behaved the same way. These ghosts appear when you apply Remove on top of an AI mask. To fix the ghost, recompute the AI mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.

LR warns you that you need to update the mask by putting a red dot under the Masking button and, when you select the mask, showing a warning message and the Update button:

AndreapennA Photography

Participant

It is so painful to use that I've decided to roll back to v.13.5
It doesn't detect the object, the brush size doesn't reflect my choice.
Don't ask us to test it for you, the release date imposed by the MAX has caused a few incredible issues already...

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smyleseh

Participant

Generative AI just replaced the car. Lol. Something fancier would have been appreciated.

johnrellis

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@smyleseh: "Generative AI just replaced the car."

Your second screenshot shows that you didn't select the entire car (including the disconnected bits).

When you select the entire car (with or without Detect Objects), Remove does a good job of removing it. Here's the selection, followed by the first and third variants: