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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

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Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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daneg47269868

Participant

Hi! I'm noticing that after using the generative ai remove feature, the feature stops working. The removals don't make sense or do a transparent removal. All images are of the same subject.

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AlexJz

Inspiring

Did you apply any basic edits before using remove?

It should be the very first step on the image, before any other edits.

I think I remember it doing something like this when applied after.

MacBook Pro 16’’ M1 Pro 16GB on OSX Ventura 13.1

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AlexJz

Inspiring

Just sharing my 2 cents, as Gen Remove was driving me crazy on a few pictures.

I was selecting only the people on the beach, thought I was including enough of the background.

It kept giving me... very weird things.

Almost looks like there's no shadow or reflection given the weather but... actually, there's a diffuse "reflection" just below the people, in the stagnant water in the sand.

Once I included this reflection in the selection, remove worked perfectly!

I found a few other examples of extremely overcast days, where a shadow is really difficult to see, but you still need to include the tiny one existing, for the remove to work properly.

MacBook Pro 16’’ M1 Pro 16GB on OSX Ventura 13.1

johnrellis

Legend

@AlexJz, "Once I included this reflection in the selection, remove worked perfectly!"

Yeah, Generative Remove is very clever at matching shadows and reflections.

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AlexJz

Inspiring

Indeed. I just wanted to include some food for thought, as I'm seeing a lot of people in this thread saying it doesn't work.

For a few second after the update, I myself thought maybe it was the new version.

But after a few seconds I found the bug, me 🙂

I only struggled to remove half of an engraving on metal; but I mean, this is completely to be expected, given how such an AI works.

Only "disappointing" thing I found so far: you pretty much have to do this as the very first step in the process.

I tried doing gen remove after having applied some develop settings, and the removed zone wouldn't match the color correction that were made.

In Photoshop terms, it would be great if it were applied on the "base" layer of the photos, without taking into account the adjustments layers on top.

But that's extremely minor.

MacBook Pro 16’’ M1 Pro 16GB on OSX Ventura 13.1

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JeffP3456

Participating Frequently

Hi, the problem I have is removing a darker object against a lighter background. LRC removes the object but leaves a light shadow which it will not get rid of.. example attached. I have tried keeping the first try and then trying again but to no avail.

johnrellis

Legend

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@JeffP3456: "LRC removes the object but leaves a light shadow which it will not get rid of."

I was able to quickly remove the branch from your screenshot:

You've likely applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Background). Do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

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hughl22802502

Participant

When I use the Generative AI Remove I can't see what its done in cases of small areas because you need to 'remove' the symbols superimposed on the image by the app.

johnrellis

Legend

@hughl22802502: "When I use the Generative AI Remove I can't see what its done in cases of small areas because you need to 'remove' the symbols superimposed on the image by the app. "

In the Remove panel, set Tool Overlay to Auto and move the mouse out of the image. Alternatively, set Tool Overlay to Never. Use the keyboard shortcut H to cycle overlay modes.

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positive_Mercury5F8B

Participant

Ao tentar utilizar a ferramenta de remoção, apresenta esse erro, após selecionar a área de remoção. ALguém sabe resover o problema? o programa ja está atualizado com a versão 14.

johnrellis

Legend

@positive_Mercury5F8B: "When trying to use the removal tool, this error appears"

That error corresponds to this LR English error message:

"$$$/Clio/StatusCode/HTTP/Forbidden=We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later."

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

Africadunc

Known Participant

I was trying to remove a zebra whose head was poking into the bottom of my image. I watched a few videos to make sure I was doing it right... this was the original:

This was the result...

I tried various options, including "detect objects".. but it just made things worse than before the remove.

Maybe Zebras are tricky because of their stripes.

johnrellis

Legend

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@Africadunc: "I was trying to remove a zebra whose head was poking into the bottom of my image."

I was able to quickly remove the head from the screenshot, with Detect Objects turned off.

Removing objects along the edge of a photo requires a little extra care. Undo any Crop, Lens Correction, and Transform, apply Remove, then reapply those commands. Remove tries to match the unselected cropped-out pixels.

If that doesn't help, and you're working with a raw photo, then brush extra wide along the edge, as described in detail here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-border-pixels-automatically-cropped-by-camera-raw/m-p/14925572

And if that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Africadunc

Known Participant

Thanks I will give it a try.

Stoneybroke

Known Participant

I have had some really good results with Generative Remove. People and spots, birs, and so on, have vanished, but it really struggles with power or phone lines.

For some reason, it does not seem to find them to select, and rarely produces a seemless replacement, often leaving the powerline in place, or merely displacing it.

johnrellis

Legend

@Stoneybroke: "it does not seem to find them to select, and rarely produces a seemless replacement, often leaving the powerline in place, or merely displacing it."

Removing objects along the edge of a photo requires a little extra care. First, uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. Second, undo any Crop, Lens Correction, and Transform, apply Remove, then reapply those commands. Remove tries to match the unselected cropped-out pixels.

If that doesn't help, then see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Stoneybroke

Known Participant

I think the powerlines sit with the 'skinny objects' as, even though it passes across the whole picture, LR picks a block of sky which includes the wire, even though the wire is clear, then it just seems to shuffle the clouds a little, sometimes blurring the powerline, but not removing it.

I have just tried to get it to do a bad example on a powerline for a photo, but you cannot see the difference!

I shall keep trying.

Attached - if you look closely, you can see the powerlines have been slightly distored where I tried to do it, and the sky has changed slightly.

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hopeful_Dewdrop4822

Participant

I have to be honest, I think the generative remove on LRC is more accurate than on Photoshop. It gives me way better options, especially with nature-related asks.

johnrellis

Legend

@hopeful_Dewdrop4822: "I think the generative remove on LRC is more accurate than on Photoshop. It gives me way better options, especially with nature-related asks."

Can you please post a couple examples here, so we can see in detail where Remove doesn't do as well? Attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot).

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mariac4904784

Participant

So very disappointed with the way regenertive ai is working tongiht. I don't get what happened to it. When taking out an eye sore builing in the background of the same set of photos- in the same exact background and foreground it did soooo good last month. Now it keep replacing it with new buildings no matter what i do and i hit refresh like 50x . .it adds in ugly buildings, and random people and structures. Total waste of 30 minutes of my time and now the couple were looking forward to the other images having the ugly building out of the sunset photos like it previously did and guess it cant be done as i am not spending another few hours waiting for it to be intelligent again.

johnrellis

Legend

Uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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midroz

Participant

With all due respect, this new remove feature does not work. How do I get back to the original functionallity, which was much easier and efficient?

johnrellis

Legend

@midroz: "this new remove feature does not work."

First, uncheck Detect Objects (on by default in LR 14) -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos. If that doesn't help, then see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

C.Cella

Inspiring

@midroz

No drastic changes have been done to Geerative Remove behavior or algorithms compared to spring 2024

It's is nearly the same as before.

What changed is that:

1. UI has been redesigned for and now there is a dedicated section for the creation AND a secrion for the currently selected Remove.

Alas in this redesign the "Opacity" slider has been removed form the creation section...this is a regression to what we had before (and was duly reported).

2. Detect Objects Remove now "Auto Expands" by 500 pixles around the actual selection.

Again this supposedly is to include a bigger area and increase the Gen Remove success rate BUT in reality it only leads to selecting unwanted part of the image that we must "Subtract" ourselves.

A good intention, not really prorpely implemented.

As @johnrellis says is best to disable and never use that mode until Adobe fixes it.

So overall Genrative Remove is basically the same as before with slightly new UI.

.The high failure rate is mostly due to the total lack of explanation of how to use the tool.

The article that John has linked will help.

Until we have text prompts Genrative Remove will always fail more than in Phothsop were users can instruct and describe what they want to generate.

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