P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

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@Tommy York: "I tried to remove a license plate, and I'm not sure what I was expected, but I got some crazy patterns"

Make sure you select every bit of the license plate's frame as well as any shadows it casts. Otherwise, Remove will try to generate a replacement that it thinks best matches the unselected bits.

For example:

 

 

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johnrellis]

Also, I just noticed in my example that you can see a reflection of the license plate on the wet pavement. Often Remove will notice unselected reflections and try to generate an object that would cast the reflection, so you need to select the reflection as well. But in this case, Remove didn't notice (you can remove the reflection with a second Remove).

[alexandrephotog]

Generative remove has a lot of difficulty with teeth!

[johnrellis]

@alexandrephotog: "Generative remove has a lot of difficulty with teeth!"

Are you trying to remove teeth? What would you like to replace them with? Please post before and after full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) of the entire LR window showing the difficulty you're having. 

[alexandrephotog]

It's not impossible, it took me around 15 tryes to get it to a better place.

1- original picture, zoomed at 100%

2- B&W conversion with contrast, we can see the black spot that is a LED light.

3-try to remove the black spot.

4-meh results for around 15 times.

And it's probably a hard scenario, lot of contrats, blurry, etc.

[johnrellis]

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At least with your screenshot, I found the Brush mask gave a better result faster, with the mask Exposure = +0.75 and Clarity = -73 to fuzz the grain and blur the edge of the brushed area a little more:

[alexandrephotog]

I'll try that next time, thanks.

[johnh8833050]

Been using the remove tool and all of a sudden got error messge and then saying check guidelines. What guidelines?

[johnrellis]

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@johnh8833050: "Been using the remove tool and all of a sudden got error messge and then saying check guidelines. What guidelines?"

Click the miniscule ? icon and then click Generative AI User Guidelines:

Adobe's AI has a Victorian sensibility and oten faints at the slightest hint of skin or small children. In geek speak, it has a high false-positive rate for adult and child p o r n (not allowed to type that in the forum), making it unsuitable for many kinds of innocuous professional use.

[default9yzu2sf4pnuj]

Please let us feather the selection like in photoshop.
Idk why opactiy made it in when the goal of this to replace something in the general image but here we are.

[Saycheez]

There needs to be an easy way to remove power lines in Lightroom Classic. Generative Remove often does not seem to recognize black lines across the sky and won't remove them. 

[johnrellis]

@Saycheez: "Generative Remove often does not seem to recognize black lines across the sky and won't remove them."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Virginia Photo]

Hi Adobe Community and geeks, 

Please Help!! Since two days I´ve got this message from the AI (AI Elimination has fail...), not beeng able to remove things that before were no problems. I´ve seen I´m not the only one getting this message. 

What is going on?

Images attached

Uppdate: afer trying four times it works, luck?

[johnrellis]

@Virginia Photo: "Generative removal failed. We detected a problem with your results. Please check our guidelines and try again."

To see the "guidelines", click the miniscule "?" icon in the upper-right corner of the Remove panel and then click Generative AI User Guidelines.

Adobe's AI is a repressed Victorian and often faints at the slightest hint of skin or small children. In geek speak, it has a high false-positive rate for adult and child p o r n (not allowed to type that in the forum), making it unsuitable for many kinds of innocuous professional use.

[Virginia Photo]

Hello John,

Very well then, if that the case great, but there is a lot to improve
then....

Thank you very much for your answer.

Virginia

[CapturingTimePhotography]

I use Lightroom Classic to edit all my photos. the remove tool is great but sometimes it just doesnt work the way it should. There was a hand in the edge of my photo that needed to remove and it will only take it to a shadow of the hand. now I have to open it in Photoshop to edit it out and that is time consuming. just thought id give feedback in case others are havign this issue and so it can get fixed. 

[johnrellis]

@CapturingTimePhotography: "There was a hand in the edge of my photo that needed to remove and it will only take it to a shadow of the hand."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects before brushing a selection -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[CapturingTimePhotography]

I dont use detect object because it doesnt work. I already do the things the article says. sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. I can not upload the image for Privacy reasons for my client.

[johnrellis]

Can you post just a screenshot / crop of the hand and the area around it on the edge?

[Virginia Photo]

Thanks for sharing, the IA works very good most of the time, for me. I hope
you can give it another chance.
But there is a lot to improve,

V.

[Amy23500013dk9q]

Overall it works pretty well but I am confounded by why it will not remove power lines in this photo, which I'd think are one of the most obvious and straightforward cases. Instead, it generates a white line to replace the black line, even on the flat blue sky. None of the variations actually removed the line… I've tried this four times, and tried every variation each time. 

Also, during the refine step, it does something absolutely whacky to the colors & contrast of the image… I didn't change the settings for the image, LR did it. The normal look of the photo returned after I hit Generate.

[johnrellis]

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The white ghost of a powerline likely indicates you applied Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky). Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask and get rid of the ghost.

[CarlyHill96]

App Version: 14.2 and camera raw 17.2
System: Sequoia 15.5 (M4 Max) 

Why does object removal sometimes do this weird light or dark shape where it removed an object? 

[johnrellis]

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@CarlyHill96: "Why does object removal sometimes do this weird light or dark shape where it removed an object?"

Ghosts like this:

are typically caused by applying Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Background or Sky). Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask.

Regarding this example:

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise, especially with uniform backgrounds. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[CarlyHill96]

Any idea why I am not able to update the ai settings?