P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[C.Cella]

@johnrellis 
If one look carefully even very small "holes" have blur



Yes it is hard to spot but the blur is there so it's not only for upscaled patches.

It is sufficient to paint a stroke and the blur, the different color, the hard edges become very evident.

Grain helps to blend the patch and neutralise the blur (or add mroe if one does global Grain) BUT doens't solve the hard edge and the different colors.

I don't know which setting is responsible for the colors (pm_gamma_type or pm_black_level).

[Damian25720529zyod]

Generative AI deleting should have it's own mode - 4th in the remove panel. Or at least, remove tool should reset to deafult after using, because now it saves feature tha was used before, which is often waste of time to change it manually by unchecking 'generative ai' or both 'detect object' and 'generative ai'.

[johnrellis]

The current layout also causes confusion, because users don't know that the older Content-Aware remove is still available by unchecking Generative AI.  Content-Aware is still quite useful for powerl ines and and when you have many smaller spots.

[NickiG]

My AI Remove slide is NOT working.  It has stopped working since the newest version came in.  What's going on?  Does anyone else have the same issues?

[johnrellis]

@NickiG: "It has stopped working since the newest version came in. "

If it's not generating any replacements at all, even bad ones, then check that the Opacity slider is set to 100.  

After you click Remove, it will appear with the other controls that let you modify the removal: 

If that doesn't help, then describe in more detail what you're seeing.

[mfleck69]

Hello. I'm a photographer in the theatre arts at a major university in Pennsylvania.  Just a note if you're not aware: In Lightroom Classic, the 'Remove' tool (with Generative AI and Detect objects both checked) is not removing objects, rather it's replacing them with random items or shapes.  I'm trying to remove what is a clean selection and clear object, and Lightroom is adding new objects rather than removing.  Thank you for your attention and I look forward to improvements.

[johnrellis]

@mfleck69: "Lightroom is adding new objects rather than removing."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Alice_Bruno1335]

Salve ho un problema con la rimozione generativa di LRC. Quando provo a rimuovere qualcosa mi esce sempre un messaggio di errore. Come si può risolvere questo problema? 

[default1o4g13rqajev]

The remove option in LrC is not good enough when trying to remove cables and lines. It just replaces the line with another line, when I just want it completely gone...

 

[johnrellis]

If you cropped the photo first, undo the crop, apply remove, then redo the crop. If the photo is a raw and not cropped, then make the brush very large and brush the corner, keeping the center of the brush just inside the photo, as described here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-bo...

If this doesn't help, please upload the original raw to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here. With everyone who has shared a photo, we've been able to show how to easily remove the object.

[johnrellis]

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Also, applying Remove to the cable in your screenshot works perfectly, confirming my analysis:

[JimmyGT]

Using AI Remove and it just alters the image, doens't remove it.

[johnrellis]

@JimmyGT: "it just alters the image, doens't remove it."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Brauneddy]

Hello,

I have following issues with the removing tool. 

On the left side is the roof of a house. First attemts with AI was transforming the roof what is a bit weird as I chose removing. However it got better later but still remaining the roof form in a kind of negative version. Please see screenshots.

What am I doing wrong?

Best regards

Alex

[johnrellis]

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@Brauneddy, in the first screenshot showing a selection:

you didn't select all of the building. If you were using the Detect Options option, it often doesn't do well with objects on the edge of the photo -- turn it off.

The ghost roofs are caused by applying Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask:

Do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask, and the ghost should go away.

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johns9744233]

I am struggling to remove unwanted objects from my images and thought that Generative Remove would be the answer. Specifically I want to get rid of power lines against a sky background and electricity pylons against a mountain backdrop. Am getting some pretty weird results where I would have thought that it would have been a pretty simple operation. It's possible that I am using the incorrect tools within the Adobe suite? Any help would be gratefully received.

[johnrellis]

@johns9744233: "I want to get rid of power lines against a sky background and electricity pylons against a mountain backdrop. Am getting some pretty weird results"

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[johns9744233]

Hi John, I've taken the liberty of cropping the image as it would be outside of your upload parameters.

[johnrellis]

@johns9744233, with the JPEG you uploaded, I was able to quickly remove the transmission towers and cables:

I removed each tower first, then each cable separately. If two cables touched, I selected both cables, since otherwise Remove might try to match the remaining unselected bit.  I turned off Detect Objects, which is usually more trouble than it's worth, especially with skinny objects and objects on the edge

Here are two of the selections I made:

If you have problems with objects touching the edges of the photo, you need to undo any Crop, Lens Correction, or Transform, apply the Remove, then redo those settings.

Also, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if that doesn't help, upload the original, unmodified photo to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here, so we can see in detail what might be going wrong.

[johnrellis]

Forgot to attach the full-resolution edited JPEG:

[johns9744233]

That's great, thanks.  Turning off Detect Objects has helped. All sorted.

[sb2314]

Go back to the original without cropping, straightening, or editing. Then try it. It will work almost always. Do any editing or manipulations after erasing.

[johns9744233]

I worked on the original raw image as a first edit as recommended in the prior posts. Whilst the original pylon disappears what is left in its place is a blurred section of mountains and some water. I attach the result which has been cropped so that you can the result clearly. But I stress that no image manipulation was carried out prior to this.

[johnrellis]

It's hard to say what's going wrong for you without seeing the original unmodified photo -- share it via any of the free options of Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive, Onedrive, etc.

[johnrellis]

@johns9744233: "That's great, thanks.  Turning off Detect Objects has helped. All sorted."

I didn't see this before my previous reply.  Glad you got it sorted.