P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[Neil Waving]

Why is Lightroom telling me that I'm not conected to the internet when I definately am conected?

This is preventing me from useing generative AI

I have just updated the app. I am running a M1 Mac Studio

[johnrellis]

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@Neil Waving: "Why is Lightroom telling me that I'm not conected to the internet when I definitely am connected?"

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Restart the computer.

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

- Try relaunching the Finder -- start Finder, click the Finder menu, and do Quit Finder. Someone reported that this solved this problem for him.

Please let us know which of these work and which don't.

[Anna35287185zjd4]

Unfortunately it stopped working for me after updates. Not removing any objects, never. I tried multiple photos, deleting small things, results are useless now. It wasn't the case in the past. It seems to be latest updates issue.

[johnrellis]

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@Anna35287185zjd4: "it stopped working for me after updates. Not removing any objects, never. I tried multiple photos, deleting small things, results are useless now. It wasn't the case in the past."

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

Many people have reported that the updates changed their Opacity sliders.

[henke51366242]

Hi Rick

I keep trying to remove a post and a person within a simple background (e.g. post with clear blue sky background or person on a bridge) yet the removed object remains as a ghost image.

I read: "If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu. ""

This is again difficult to find, but when i eventually did, I updated that AI settings on that photo but the problem persists. It is clear I am getting it wrong because so often IA remove works brilliantly, yet at other times it suubbornly gives me a ghost like object. 

Ive been scouring this forum but so far nothing that sticks out. But have followed up on other leads - so learning overaal but the ghost ing issue defies all my attempts till now 

Henri

[johnrellis]

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@henke51366242: "I keep trying to remove a post and a person within a simple background (e.g. post with clear blue sky background or person on a bridge) yet the removed object remains as a ghost image. ... I updated that AI settings on that photo but the problem persists." 

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

Applying Remove on top of AI masking (e.g. a Sky mask, corrected by doing Update AI Settings) and Opacity sliders set to less than 100 are the primary causes of ghost images. But if this doesn't help, then rather than play twenty questions, share the original photo and your develop settings here. In Library, select the photo and do the menu command Metadata > Save Metadata To File. Then upload photo file (and if it's raw, its .xmp sidecar file) to Wetransfer, Dropbox, Google Drive, or other free service and post the sharing link here.

[Sysmat_RS]

it is very great and helpful.

[Terry Payman]

I wanted to remove lens flare dots from a black background, but the image was underexposed so once exposure was pushed then the background showed noise grain. The noise structure wasn't used as part of the generative replacement, so there's a cleaner patch where I removed the dots. Doing Denoise first was better, but it would be good to be able to remove objects on a noisy background.

[johnrellis]

@Terry Payman: "The noise structure wasn't used as part of the generative replacement, so there's a cleaner patch where I removed the dots. Doing Denoise first was better, but it would be good to be able to remove objects on a noisy background."

Adobe recommends doing Denoise first -- see the bottom of this article for the recommended order of operations:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

But in general, Remove doesn't always do well matching the noise/grain of the surrounding area -- others have complained here about that too.  See here for a way to ameliorate it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[GlendaMadaris]

I hate this new AI remove tool! I just want to be able to remove something out of an image...AI just does whatever the heck it wants to do. I end up having to take the images into PS in order to totally remove objects. This needs to be corrected.

[johnrellis]

@GlendaMadaris: "I end up having to take the images into PS in order to totally remove objects. "

When Generative Remove replaces rather than removes in LR but works quick in PS, that usually indicates you're applying Remove to an image that's been cropped by the Crop, Lens Correction, or Transform panels.  LR's Remove looks at all the pixels in an image, including those that have been cropped out. Undo those settings, apply Remove, then redo them.

If that doesn't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Grohacke]

Great AI tools in Lightroom.

But when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them 😞

[johnrellis]

@Grohacke: "when I mark people to be removed, I definitely do not want AI-generated people to replace them"

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[RyanCharlesPhoto]

In the Generative Remove tool bar, can we get one tool/option that specifically addresses stray hairs, and fly away hairs in portraits? Evato has this in their retouching suite and I keep expecting to see Adobe catch up on a similar tool. It should focus on stands on hair and have options for inside the face, outside of the head, and on the clothes. An automation would speed up the process of retouching hundreds of stray hairs, with a refinement option after the automation has run. 

Currently, the tool removes some of the hairs, but for hairs that are close to the hair line, it just tries to create more hair, so its like a line of hair, with a gap of background in the middle. 

I think if the tool had a little more instruction regarding stray hair removal, and some learning, it could be extremely powerful, a massive time saver for users, and solve one of the biggest issues portrait photographers face. 

Thanks. 

Ryan

[scubott]

For some reason, only recently, when I use the Remove tool only lately it is replacing not removing. I was trying to remove a person standing behind me in one photo and it kept replacing it with another person. I never was able to just remove it. I'm having the same problem again now. I'm trying to remove a car in the street (my attached image) and it just replaces it with another car. I've tried a bunch of times. You can see the final result is still a car.  

[johnrellis]

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Generative Remove does a good, quick job of removing the car from your screenshot:

Your screenshots indicate that the photo has been cropped.  That, combined with the fact I can remove the car from the screenshot, points at the problem: You're apply Remove on a cropped photo. Remove looks at all the photo and is trying to match the unselected, cropped-out photos. Undo Crop, Transform, and Lens Correction (all of which crop out pixels), apply Remove, and then redo those commands.

This is a very common cause of confusion, and LR should really warn users about existing crops or simply disable them while the Remove panel is open, as it does with Lens Blur.  

See this article for more details about this and other guidelines for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[scubott]

Thanks so much! That fixed the problem! And thanks for that link! 

[sb2314]

Please choose an area much larger than the car to include shadows or
anything close to it. If it does not work, choose it again. It will
eventually remove it.


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[Jose Alberto Otarola]

 Buen día, la IA en mí en mi LrC no me está funcionando.... No se a que se debe.

[johnrellis]

@Jose Alberto Otarola: " The AI ​​in my LrC is not working for me"

Please describe in detail what steps you are taking and what you see (or don't see). If there's an error message, please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic).

[Thomas3198030305sb]

14.0.1 Release, Camera Raw 17.0
Build [202410161356-30922cfc]

The LR Remove tool kinda sucks honestly. I just want to replace this corner of the photo with more dark corner, but Remove keeps just giving me more versions of what is ALREADY THERE. Why is it called the "Remove" tool if it doesn't remove anything?
Photoshop is much better!
How can two products from the SAME company be so DIFFERENT in this function?

[johnrellis]

@Thomas3198030305sb: "tly. I just want to replace this corner of the photo with more dark corner, but Remove keeps just giving me more versions of what is ALREADY THERE"

Your screenshots indicate that the photo has been cropped.  That, combined with the fact I can remove the corner from the screenshot and you can remove the corner in PS, points at the problem: You're applied Remove on a cropped photo. Remove looks at all of the photo's pixels and is trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels. Undo Crop, Transform, and Lens Correction (all of which crop out pixels), apply Remove, and then redo those commands. (When you send the photo to PS, all those cropped-out pixels are removed and PS doesn't see them.)

This is a very common cause of confusion, and LR should really warn users about existing crops or simply disable them while the Remove panel is open, as it does with Lens Blur.  

See this article for more details about this and other guidelines for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly every one of the several dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Sean23718437xqry]

one feedback is making sure the quality/noise of the generative remove MATCHES the rest of the photo. When zoomed in, the selected is actually removed but afterwards, the quality of the selected area looks more blurred than the the photo quality. 

[johnrellis]

@Sean23718437xqry: "making sure the quality/noise of the generative remove MATCHES the rest of the photo."

A fair number of people have complained about this. There are a couple issues with grain and textures:

1. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). 

2. Even when there's no upscaling of the replacement patch, Remove doesn't always match textures and grain very well.

For grain in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[prgal]

I'm so frustrated with your removal tool. I just want to remove an object and keep the same background. I have regenrated 5 times and it keeps replacing it with weird objects. I have tried just the remove tool and it does the same thing. Im using the newest version of Lightroom classic and hope not to have to use two differnet programs for this since im editing over 500 images.  Any suggesstions?