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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 13, 2024 Aug 13, 2024

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Adobe Employee , Dec 12, 2024 Dec 12, 2024

Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping. 

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LEGEND ,
Oct 24, 2024 Oct 24, 2024

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@motivated_Mercury5F9A: "I have been a member for over two months and this regenerative AI feature has not worked for me."

 

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LR's English translation of that error:

 

"$$$/Clio/StatusCode/HTTP/Forbidden=We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later."

 

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

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Oct 23, 2024 Oct 23, 2024

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Hello I am writing to get help on a way to automate this type of image cleaning. It would be amazing that this could come as an auto detection of dust and scratches using the Visualize Spots funtion directly in Lightroom.  The first picture shows the original film scanned. It contains some little spots and tiny hairs.

Screenshot 2024-10-23 at 11.46.45 AM.png

 

 

 

The next picture shows the Remove tool enabled (Q) and the visualize spots also enabled.
Screenshot 2024-10-23 at 11.45.55 AM.pngAfter some time I managed to get rid of all the spots, but is there any way that Adobe can automate this?
Screenshot 2024-10-23 at 11.46.11 AM.png
Even if we can decide afterwards which white areas of the image we want to retain? This could help not just me, but many others too. Screenshot 2024-10-23 at 11.46.30 AM.png

 

 

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Oct 24, 2024 Oct 24, 2024

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Please repost this feature request in the forum's Ideas section, where Adobe and other users are more likely to see it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/ct-p/ct-lightroom-classic?page=1&sort=latest_replie...

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Oct 23, 2024 Oct 23, 2024

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Bonsoir ,

je confirme que tout le système est ralenti de manière énorme , pas seulement l'AI , le reste aussi ..

j'espère moi aussi un correctif rapide car c'est un vrai problème !

Cordialement

Olivier

 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 23, 2024 Oct 23, 2024

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I have been using the new Generative Remove feature and am LOVING IT!  True, it's not 100%, but pretty darn close!  It is what I have always dreamed of for my travel photography where you don't have complete control over objects such as cars, people, trash cans, powerlines, etc. Great addition to this new upgrade.

Also, another great upgrade if anyone hasn't tried it yet is the new Lens Blur.  Fantastic feature.

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Oct 23, 2024 Oct 23, 2024

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As a feedback: The Generative AI feature in LRC is absolute garbage. But that's not what pisses me off the most, but the fact that the other cleaning tools - heal and clone - have NOT IMPROVED in AGES. I don't need a slow and imprecise generative AI feature! I need the heal and clone tools to be as efficient in LRC as they are in PS, They do an absolute terrible job in cleaning, god forbid if you want to remove an item that is "touching" the subject.. it makes a mess!

 

I also do not want to create a 400mb PSD file for most of the 80~100 images I have in each job in order to use PS. I need the tools of my batch image editing software to be QUICK and EFFECTIVE. PLEASE. PLEASE FIX IT.

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Oct 24, 2024 Oct 24, 2024

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@Brittow: "The Generative AI feature in LRC is absolute garbage."

 

Most people find that it Generative Remove works very well, though it has some rough edges that will trip you up until you spend just a few mintues learning how to avoid them. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Oct 23, 2024 Oct 23, 2024

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i hope this tool can just simple change the selected background to plain colour backdrop, because there's time that studio shooting , the backdrop papre was not wide enough, and i needed to edit the background that is not covered with the backdrop paper. The generative remove background can only replace the selected with other similar object and it is hard to get just neat and nice clean background. 

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@Zach31383290h5az: "the backdrop paper was not wide enough ... it is hard to get just neat and nice clean background.:"

 

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.  

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 24, 2024 Oct 24, 2024

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In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces and no option to just remove face and provide clean background as an alternate. This is so frustrating

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Oct 24, 2024 Oct 24, 2024

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@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336: "In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces"

 

Your screenshot shows there are two causes, both related to the general principle that you have to select all of the object you want to replace -- if you leave any bits remaining, Remove will try to match the remaining parts:

 

JohnREllis_0-1729786857811.png

 

1. You didn't select all of the person's arm.

 

2. You have to select all the disconnected pieces of a person. Your screenshot is ambiguous, but it looks like you tried to include the lower body of the person. The screenshot doesn't show if you selected every bit of that person.

 

There's also a UI design misfeature that Adobe hasn't acknowledged as such. Though Adobe tells you to select all of the disconnected parts of the object, if you make disconnected selections, Remove will treat them separately when it goes to remove, and you're likely to get "replace" instread of "remove".  So you need to apply an obscure trick (described in more detail here).

 

First select all of the bits of the person with a single selection (making sure Detect Objects is unchecked):

JohnREllis_1-1729787273363.png

 

Then before clicking Remove, use Subtract to delete the parts of the selection you don't want removed:

JohnREllis_3-1729787434941.png

 

Then click Remove:

JohnREllis_4-1729787498883.png

 

It's too bad that Remove still has such rough edges. Once you learn about its quirks, it does a very good job, quickly.

 

If you're still having trouble with this photo, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

 

 

 

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@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336

Can you share the photo of the woman in your example ?

I need to verify one thing.

 

 

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Community Beginner ,
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I have already shared two photos.

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quote

 

 

There's also a UI design misfeature that Adobe hasn't acknowledged as such. Though Adobe tells you to select all of the disconnected parts of the object, if you make disconnected selections, Remove will treat them separately when it goes to remove, and you're likely to get "replace" instread of "remove".  So you need to apply an obscure trick (described in more detail here).

 

etc...

 

 

 


By @John R Ellis



It is nto a Ui msifire.
The soruce of the problem is the way LrC and CameraRaw handle Remove Refienments.

@Rikk Flohr: Photography 
I have now documeted the issue and shared internally...I quoted you there.


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@C.Cella: "The soruce of the problem is the way LrC and CameraRaw handle Remove Refienments."

 

Also see my post about this back in July:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/variations-aren-t-shown-for-discontinuo...

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Community Beginner ,
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I have selected every bit. Just for your information, I am a professional
photographer using Lightroom and Photoshop from ages and I create tutorials
on the same. I have also been Lightroom evangelist for some time.

I understand how it has to be done rightly. For once pls don't get into
explanation and justification mode and stop putting blame on users. Instead
get into correcting the major flaw that is in Lightroom remove tool. You
get great results in same tool in Photoshop.

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@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336: "I have selected every bit. ... I understand how it has to be done rightly."

 

Your screenshot indicates you didn't select all of the person's arm, and it also indicates that you didn't select the two disconnected parts of the person with a single connected selection and then subtract the parts you didn't want removed, which is unfortunately necessary in this case to replace the person with background. If you disagree, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, not a screenshot. Then we can all see and agree on what's happening.

 

I don't work for Adobe, and I'm not "blaming users" or justifying anything -- I'm just trying to help people use the tool as it currently exists most effectively. If you read my posts here, including my reply to you, you can see I often criticize the current version of Remove.

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The AI remove tool in LR Classic is insanely useless. 
It is so bad that I don't even want to risk wasting time to try it. 
It seems to work in about 10% of cases but almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. 
Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style

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@Patrick22616748c1sx: "almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style"

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Thanks for trying, but this article isn't helpful at all. 
It's basically saying "make the selection bigger" which I already did. 

I've been working with photoshop for 20 years now, using LR heavily for my job of 3 years and I love how I rarely need to open Photoshop in order to get the desired look/edit. 
I have experience in selections, masking, removing objects and everything, I have never complained about a specific tool before, so I think it's fair to say that when a lot of people, including me, say it doesn't work as it's supposed to, you have people that are experienced with the way they use tools within Adobe software. 

I've tried several times with all kinds of different images and issues and I am not going to touch the tool again until I see 80-90% of the people saying it's working now. 
It's often amazing to see what the various remove tools in PS are capable of but at the same time really frustrating and surprising to see how bad the LR equivalent works. 

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@Patrick22616748c1sx: "this article isn't helpful at all. It's basically saying "make the selection bigger" 

 

That's a highly inaccurate summary, which points to why you're not getting good results. That article describes a number of other things to be aware of: select shadows and reflections; apply Remove before cropping with Crop, Lens Correction, and Transform; apply Remove before masking;select all the disconnected parts with connected strokes and then subtract; brush extra wide across the edges of the photo.

 

Experience with other older tools in Photoshop isn't relevant to Remove, since it behaves so much differently. 

 

Your feedback won't carry much weight without posting actual examples. Attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects. 

 

"I am not going to touch the tool again until I see 80-90% of the people saying it's working now."

 

You'll never see 80-90% of the people posting in this forum saying that Remove works for them. You're ignoring that posts in this forum, and this thread, have a strong selection bias to people who have problems. The tens of thousands of people who don't have problems usually don't post. Very few people for whom Remove works well bother click the Feedback button (which brings them to this thread) .

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I'm not gonna look in here for the 80-90% of positive feedback about the tool but look for real live real world experience by people who work with LR daily. 

It feels like you list 20 things you have to make sure and check if they're turned off/not touched yet in order to use the tool. That is one part of the uselessnes about this tool. 


Doesn't work with a workflow where you synch your setting across hundreds of photos, because you would have to reset all settings.
Doesn't work with lenses that automatically have lens correction turned on, once imported. 

What you also didn't understand is that I mentioned prior experience so you don't try telling me to select the shadow as well or try making the selection bigger. 

And lastly, I don't care if my feedback carries much weight to you personally. 
I just see countless other people saying the same thing - Instead of removing, it adds a variation.

And if I have to come to the forum, complain, get the link to the other thread, read it, make sure I follow all the steps to make the tool work, it's neither intuitive nor usefull on a broader scale. 
Your support won't carry much weight, if you can't see that, because the workarounds you're describing are just not applicable in most real world situations

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Doesn't work with a workflow where you synch your setting across hundreds of photos, because you would have to reset all settings.
 
By @Patrick22616748c1sx


What do you mean?

When I sync Gen Remove to other images the the other settings don't need to be reset.

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@Patrick22616748c1sx: "you list 20 things you have to make sure and check"

 

Another large inaccuracy -- I listed 5 things.

 

"Doesn't work with a workflow where you sync your setting across hundreds of photos, because you would have to reset all settings."

 

You haven't replied to C.Cella's inquiry about what you mean by this -- neither of us understands.

 

"Doesn't work with lenses that automatically have lens correction turned on, once imported. "

 

No, that's inaccurate, it usually works well. In very infrequent cases, if you're trying to remove an object against the edge of the photo and it replaces rather than removes, it could be that the lens correction is cropping out a small border of pixels that you need to select by brushing wider at the edge. Alternatively, you can just toggle off the lens correction, apply Remove, then toggle it back on:

JohnREllis_0-1730303203109.png

 

It would be better if Remove did this automatically, as it does with Lens Blur, but it's a misleading exaggeration to say simply "doesn't work".

 

"I just see countless other people saying the same thing - Instead of removing, it adds a variation."

 

With nearly everyone who has provided an example of that here,  we've shown how to quickly and easily remove rather than replace the object. There are such examples -- Remove is hardly perfect -- but there have been only a few in this thread and it's predecessor during "early access".

 

"the workarounds you're describing are just not applicable in most real world situations"

 

There are lots and lots of posts here to the contrary., and you still haven't posted even a single example to the contrary.

 

As the article I referenced says, "Like any tool, you need to know how to use it properly to get the best results." You're determined not to attach a full-resolution example where it's hard to get good results, so it's easy to assume you don't want  your premature conclusions to be proven wrong.

 

"I don't care if my feedback carries much weight to you personally."

 

I don't care either. I do try to help people on this forum provide meaningful, actionable feedback that will be most likely to influence Adobe, by including examples, explaining in detail what's going wrong, and filing bug reports.  I've helped a number in this thread and its predecessor identify places where Remove goes wrong. (I'm one of the most persistent critics of LR Classic here and I've filed the most bug reports by far.)

 

 

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"Edge" has nothing to do with the problem.  I had a person in the middle of a picture.  I used AI to remove it.  No, it replaced it with another person.  I reiterated this a number of times.  It eventually replaced the adult with a child. Then that child with another smaller child.  Then after a few more times, the child was replaced with a CHICKEN!  A few more times and the object was finally actually removed.

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