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Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.
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Doesn't work with a workflow where you synch your setting across hundreds of photos, because you would have to reset all settings.By @Patrick22616748c1sx
What do you mean?
When I sync Gen Remove to other images the the other settings don't need to be reset.
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@Patrick22616748c1sx: "you list 20 things you have to make sure and check"
Another large inaccuracy -- I listed 5 things.
"Doesn't work with a workflow where you sync your setting across hundreds of photos, because you would have to reset all settings."
You haven't replied to C.Cella's inquiry about what you mean by this -- neither of us understands.
"Doesn't work with lenses that automatically have lens correction turned on, once imported. "
No, that's inaccurate, it usually works well. In very infrequent cases, if you're trying to remove an object against the edge of the photo and it replaces rather than removes, it could be that the lens correction is cropping out a small border of pixels that you need to select by brushing wider at the edge. Alternatively, you can just toggle off the lens correction, apply Remove, then toggle it back on:
It would be better if Remove did this automatically, as it does with Lens Blur, but it's a misleading exaggeration to say simply "doesn't work".
"I just see countless other people saying the same thing - Instead of removing, it adds a variation."
With nearly everyone who has provided an example of that here, we've shown how to quickly and easily remove rather than replace the object. There are such examples -- Remove is hardly perfect -- but there have been only a few in this thread and it's predecessor during "early access".
"the workarounds you're describing are just not applicable in most real world situations"
There are lots and lots of posts here to the contrary., and you still haven't posted even a single example to the contrary.
As the article I referenced says, "Like any tool, you need to know how to use it properly to get the best results." You're determined not to attach a full-resolution example where it's hard to get good results, so it's easy to assume you don't want your premature conclusions to be proven wrong.
"I don't care if my feedback carries much weight to you personally."
I don't care either. I do try to help people on this forum provide meaningful, actionable feedback that will be most likely to influence Adobe, by including examples, explaining in detail what's going wrong, and filing bug reports. I've helped a number in this thread and its predecessor identify places where Remove goes wrong. (I'm one of the most persistent critics of LR Classic here and I've filed the most bug reports by far.)
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"Edge" has nothing to do with the problem. I had a person in the middle of a picture. I used AI to remove it. No, it replaced it with another person. I reiterated this a number of times. It eventually replaced the adult with a child. Then that child with another smaller child. Then after a few more times, the child was replaced with a CHICKEN! A few more times and the object was finally actually removed.
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@jimbessette: ""Edge" has nothing to do with the problem."
An object on the edge very often is the cause of people's problems reported in this thread and the previous early-access thread. If you've cropped the photo before applying Remove, Remove will try to match the pixels outside the crop, replacing the selection with another object.
"I had a person in the middle of a picture. ... t replaced it with another person. I reiterated this a number of times. It eventually replaced the adult with a child. Then that child with another smaller child. Then after a few more times, the child was replaced with a CHICKEN! A few more times and the object was finally actually removed."
This often happens when you've missed a bit of the original object, including a bit disconnected from the main selection, or you haven't selected a shadow or reflection of the object. In all these cases, Remove tries to match the unselected bits. There are several examples of this in previous posts in this thread and the early-access thread. See this article for more details and examples:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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useless, way b ehind other apps
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@DhandaNot your screenshot shows you need to Update Ai Settings for Masking i.e. Red Dot under Masking panel icon.
If you have a Sky Mask apllied it might be the cause of the smudges.
Consider also there is a bug when trying to clone/heal a Sky affected by ANY type of Masks.
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All the tips and tricks to use Gen Remove should be available in LrC, via the help section or via an icon in the Remove Panel.
We have now a new revamped "What's New" secrion and we could have a similar section dedicated to "How To Use Gen Remove" with explanations, images, videos, gifs, etc...
So many users would NOT have problems if only this "manual" was made available within LrC.
Praise must go to @johnrellis which seemingly all alone is sharing the good knowledge on the forums.
Perhaps John we should create a "Gen Remove Guide" Plug-in 😉
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The Lightroom Queen article is a good reference and Victoria and Paul are keeping it updated:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
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The Lightroom Queen article is a good reference and Victoria and Paul are keeping it updated:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
By @johnrellis
Yes but it's not widely known.
Personally I think that it should be Adobe to provide the info, available offline in LrC.
But thats just me probably.
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@DhandaNot: "Generative Remove does not work well LR CLassic 14.0.1 I tried to use Heal and Clone. But that too leaves a trace of what I am trying to remove."
Your screenshot shows two issues:
1. You've applied Remove on top of masking (as C.Cella pointed out). Do Settings > Update AI settings to recompute the masks after applying Remove, or do as Adobe recommends, appy Remove before masking (which doesn't match many people's workflow).
2. You've applied Remove to a cropped photo, and if the selection extends to the edge of the crop, Remove is trying to match the cropped out pixels. Apply Remove before cropping. See here for more details:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky.
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@johngregoryfcb: "Is there a way to select the mask to be used with Generative Remove the same way you select normal masks? For example detecting people, parts of people, subject, sky."
No. You could submit a feature request here:
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@johngregoryfcb no there are no direct Ai Selections to be usable with Remove.
Use Detect Objects Remove and paint over the "item" to remove.
Unfortunately there is no "rectangular" mode for Objects in Remove so is not as fast (and good for performance) todo the selections like it is in Masking using Objects
You can paint around the item to select and Gen Remove will auto fill it to make the selection.
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@quinet2000: "I have a dual monitor set up. When I select an object to remove on my main screen, it shows up in red off-centre by about a centimeter."
Please submit a bug report about this:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/how-do-i-write-a-bug-report/idi-p/12386373
which will make it more likely Adobe will set it and respond. Be sure to include screenshots (or better, a full-resolution screen recordings) and copy/paste the entire output from the menu command Help > System Info.
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Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object. This seems at odds with the purpose of a remove tool.
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@Wilbur16B8: "Far too often, rather than simply removing the offending object, the remove tool simply substitutes another offending object."
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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Im trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines? What the f!!!!! Sincerely - a tired wedding photographer
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@LivPhoto: "I'm trying to remove powerlines and it's replacing it with more powerlines?"
See this previous post and my two replies:
If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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Wow, remove and replaced worked pretty good until today's update. Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object. Almost useless at this point.
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@Photos by Bre: "Now I get ghosting or a complete replace with a similar object."
1. The red dot under the Masking button indicates you've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, which can cause ghosting. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings, or apply Remove before masking.
2. The replaced section of the white pole in your screenshot indicates you had Mode: Remove selected with Detect Objects checked. Detect Objects doesn't do well at detecting long lines and poles -- uncheck Detect Objects and try it again.
If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.
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The remove tool has suddenly become as slow as molasses for me, even when not using AI.
With the Generative AI option *unchecked*, each little spot I want to remove means waiting 20-30 valuable seconds, in which Lightroom Classic window turns black and stops responding, sometimes an addional process like "Bezel" appears in the Windows taskbar, then all the elements of the application refresh themselves, then finally the spot is removed. It's maddening!
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@R Gearhart: "The remove tool has suddenly become as slow as molasses for me, even when not using AI."
As a first troubleshooting step, update your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4
If that doesn't help, I recommend starting your own thread, rather than continuing the discussion here. It will get better attention. Be sure to copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.