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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

Adobe Employee ,
Aug 13, 2024 Aug 13, 2024

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Adobe Employee , Dec 12, 2024 Dec 12, 2024

Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping. 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 05, 2024 Nov 05, 2024

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@willy_9983: "It's about the remainder of a person on the bottom right of the image. I can't get rid of that."

 

With your attached .jpg, Remove immediately removed the remainder of the person from the bottom-right corner:

JohnREllis_0-1730854205533.png

 

The image's metadata indicates that you cropped the image along all four sides. So when you applied Remove to the bottom-right corner, Remove was trying to match the unselected, cropped-out pixels.  Adobe wants you to remove first, then crop (which doesn't match many people's natural workflow).

 

See this article for more details on how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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Bedankt voor je reactie, nu begrijp ik waarom het telkens niet lukte. Het is wat onhandig op deze manier want nu moet ik vooraf inschatten wat ik moet verwijderen. Ik ga het uitproberen. Nogmaals bedankt. Vriendelijke groet, Willy

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LEGEND ,
Nov 05, 2024 Nov 05, 2024

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[This post contains formatting and embedded images that don't appear in email. View the post in your Web browser.]

 

@lex_9408: "any removal with or without object removal selection replaces the subject (wife and dog) with a unwanted substitute (repetiveley)"

 

Be sure to select the shadow cast the by the woman and dog. If you don't select it, then Remove will try very hard to replace them with an object that also casts that shadow:

JohnREllis_0-1730825751899.png

 

But when you add the shadow to the selection, it easily removes the woman and dog:

 

JohnREllis_1-1730825790327.png

 

It's too bad that Detect Objects hasn't been trained to include shadows and reflections -- that would help users avoid this common problem.

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Advocate ,
Nov 05, 2024 Nov 05, 2024

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@johnrellis If the Ui had a small "help text" saying "Tip: include shadow and connected parts to Remove in the selection" soooo many users would not have problems

 

@Rikk Flohr: Photography 

A small help text can surely be added to the Ui in little time by the team.

That small Ui change would help users tremendously with Gen Remove.

 

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John,

Thanks, I should have known this 

best regards 

Lex 

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New Here ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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Hello, i dont understand why when i use generative ai and i draw the area i want to fix, why it doesnt hold the area i draw but it draw new one and i have to fix it?

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Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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@stanislavat34109225 From your description it looks like you are using Detect Objects that makes a new selection, based on the painted area.

Disable it and the paint using Generative Remove normal mode.

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Hello, how should i do it, please?

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Advocate ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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Uncheck the Detect Objects option, i.e the second checkbox (see screenshot)

 

Screenshot 2024-11-06 at 10.05.13.png

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thank you very much

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Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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Glad to have helped.

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Advocate ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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FWIW I myself am unable to remove a window despite painting a very large area.


Screenshot 2024-11-06 at 10.17.36.pngScreenshot 2024-11-06 at 10.17.48.png

I tried to refresh more times and never I was able to get a result

In Photoshop by instructing the Ai and typing "Wall empty" I got 2 usable results.

 

Screenshot 2024-11-06 at 10.22.49.png

So IMO  without instruction Generative Remove is failing too much in LrC.

 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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[This post contains formatting and embedded images that don't appear in email. View the post in your Web browser.]

 

Interesting, that's the first example of several dozen posted here where the object didn't remove easily. After about 5 minutes of experimenting, I was able to remove the window by selecting the discoloration underneath it -- it looks like Remove is treating that discolored area like a shadow and trying to generate something to cast the shadow. I agree that allowing the user to provide prompts as in Photoshop would make this example easier.

 

Here's my result, along with the same selection with Opacity = 1 to show the original image:

 

Screenshot 2024-11-06 at 10.22.02 AM.jpg

JohnREllis_0-1730917946058.png

 

 

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Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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@johnrellis 

I think that if I try multiple times eventually I can get the window removed.

But it's a waste of time and credits IMO when in Phothsop is few seconds with instructions.

 

Now even when Remove succeeds in (LrC or PS) if I zoom I can see the removed area is sub-res/blurred AND the hard edges.

 

 

So all looks fine but if one looks carefully the Remove it's evident...it's worse when the area generated is big.

One needs to apply grain on all the image to kinda "hide" the sub res...or the pseudo high res in Phothsop.

.And if one doesn't want to aplly grain then simoly is better to use Clone or Heal that reuse the photo's pixels and have feather.

 

Reducing Opacity kinda helps with Gen Remove as well but in certain conditions only.

 

I have sice day one Generative Content in Camera Raw asked to have feathering to at least solve the problem of hard edges...it probably will nver be done.

 

 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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"it's worse when the area generated is big."

 

That's caused by the maximum size of a replacement patch returned by Firefly, 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the removed area is larger than that, it is upscaled, resulting in loss of detail.

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Nov 08, 2024 Nov 08, 2024

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@johnrellis 
If one look carefully even very small "holes" have blur

Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 10.49.16.png

Yes it is hard to spot but the blur is there so it's not only for upscaled patches.

It is sufficient to paint a stroke and the blur, the different color, the hard edges become very evident.

 

Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 10.56.57.png

 

Grain helps to blend the patch and neutralise the blur (or add mroe if one does global Grain) BUT doens't solve the hard edge and the different colors.


Screenshot 2024-11-08 at 10.56.50.png

 

I don't know which setting is responsible for the colors (pm_gamma_type or pm_black_level).

 

 

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New Here ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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Generative AI deleting should have it's own mode - 4th in the remove panel. Or at least, remove tool should reset to deafult after using, because now it saves feature tha was used before, which is often waste of time to change it manually by unchecking 'generative ai' or both 'detect object' and 'generative ai'.

 

Damian25720529zyod_0-1730909472572.png

 

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LEGEND ,
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The current layout also causes confusion, because users don't know that the older Content-Aware remove is still available by unchecking Generative AI.  Content-Aware is still quite useful for powerl ines and and when you have many smaller spots.

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New Here ,
Nov 06, 2024 Nov 06, 2024

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My AI Remove slide is NOT working.  It has stopped working since the newest version came in.  What's going on?  Does anyone else have the same issues?

 

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LEGEND ,
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@NickiG: "It has stopped working since the newest version came in. "

 

If it's not generating any replacements at all, even bad ones, then check that the Opacity slider is set to 100.  

After you click Remove, it will appear with the other controls that let you modify the removal: 

JohnREllis_0-1730951328487.png

 

If that doesn't help, then describe in more detail what you're seeing.

 

 

 

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Hello. I'm a photographer in the theatre arts at a major university in Pennsylvania.  Just a note if you're not aware: In Lightroom Classic, the 'Remove' tool (with Generative AI and Detect objects both checked) is not removing objects, rather it's replacing them with random items or shapes.  I'm trying to remove what is a clean selection and clear object, and Lightroom is adding new objects rather than removing.  Thank you for your attention and I look forward to improvements.

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LEGEND ,
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@mfleck69: "Lightroom is adding new objects rather than removing."

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Nov 08, 2024 Nov 08, 2024

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Salve ho un problema con la rimozione generativa di LRC. Quando provo a rimuovere qualcosa mi esce sempre un messaggio di errore. Come si può risolvere questo problema? 

immagine_2024-11-08_153139557.png

 

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Nov 10, 2024 Nov 10, 2024

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The remove option in LrC is not good enough when trying to remove cables and lines. It just replaces the line with another line, when I just want it completely gone...

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LEGEND ,
Nov 10, 2024 Nov 10, 2024

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If you cropped the photo first, undo the crop, apply remove, then redo the crop. If the photo is a raw and not cropped, then make the brush very large and brush the corner, keeping the center of the brush just inside the photo, as described here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-bo...

 

If this doesn't help, please upload the original raw to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here. With everyone who has shared a photo, we've been able to show how to easily remove the object.

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