P: Improved Fuji X-Trans Support?

[pinkypunk35]

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

[pinkypunk35]

I sit naked in my studio and burn my old copies of Lightroom; one for each year that passes by without a reply from Adobe. I am currently up to Lightroom 4 so still a few more to go until I burn my current copy rendering Lightroom completely gone from this place.

[Cicuryn]

Are you going to celebrate this anniversary somehow? 😄

[pinkypunk35]

So, once again, why are you even here? If you've moved away from Lightroom and feel forums are "useless" it begs the question why you're actively visiting and even posting around forums dedicated to the thing you find "useless"

[deejjjaaaa]

> IF you don't understand that what are you doing here?

unlike your useless musings what drives the progress I simply move the progress with my wallet ($$$ -> C1) - feedback was provided to Adobe a lot... if they can't do it after all that time there is reason for that... it might be the issue of how their code is written (see stupid suggestions about using DCP profiles in C1 form people who have no clue how C1 works) or for example something similar to the reason related to Foveon & DNG (see ex Adobe's employee Zalman Stern public comment as to why - https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/22605268 ) or why Fuji film emulations are hardcoded inside the ACR/LR code and not publicly available as new .XMP profile-presets... 

[deejjjaaaa]

> That's a really stupid argument from DP Home

I read these whinings about Fuji demosaick for ages... Adobe Camera Raw team knows about demosaicking quality for X-Trans very well... so at this moment you need to vote with your wallet or suck it and wait, that's it... I personally simply use X-Transformer with ACR and CaptureOne based on what I want... I certainly keep Adobe products because I use other cameras

[StreathamHill]

Thanks for clarifying that. Good to know for the future. Unless somebody else releases something suitable at which point I'll be off in a flash!

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Technically the other one is just a user to user forum that's hosted by Adobe. There are support staff that post there occasionally, but issues can easily get lost in the volume of content, whereas this site is set up specifically to track bugs and feature requests and specialist staff monitor it for issues. So over there is a bit more potluck, whereas here gets in front of the right people.

[StreathamHill]

Sure...but those last two are Adobe's own forum! Surely they're monitoring that!?

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

Thanks Adam. If there isn't a thread here, start one. The engineers can't keep up with every forum on the web, but they do track things here.

[StreathamHill]

Two more...

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2539851

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2407758

[StreathamHill]

Hi Victoria,

Here you go...

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/community/threads/unable-to-merge-catalogs.36549/#post-1240750

I'm trying to find the threads on other forums that I read when I first encountered the problem.

[Victoria Bampton LR Queen]

> Lightrooms inability to merge catalogs since they introduced Cloud. 

Do you have a link to the bug thread on that issue? It's not ringing a bell, but I may be looking for different phrasing.

[pinkypunk35]

Exactly, the wider issues really is if they are unwilling to improve performance for Fuji cameras (Fuji being one of the best selling Premium cameras of recent years, and also featuring in many top places for CSC category) where does it end? No support for Sony next, then the new Canon and Nikons?

Let's be honest, Adobe have rested on their laurels since moving to a subscription based licensing product. They no-longer have to innovate or improve like they did back in the days of perpetual software licences.

[StreathamHill]

It's not just the Fuji issue now....

There has been no response from Adobe as to Lightrooms inability to merge catalogs since they introduced Cloud.

Shocking arrogant dismissal of their customers

[pinkypunk35]

That's a really stupid argument from DP Home. Basically either like it or lump it?

User feedback is how society progresses, it's also how software evolves otherwise it would be the same product it was back in 2007. In fact it's what this entire forum is for. IF you don't understand that what are you doing here?

You buy the tool to do the job, and Lightroom promises to do the job but fails spectacularly. As a customer who's invested in a piece of software you have all the right to complain or provide feedback. This is how things evolve.

Any new users coming into Lightroom in 2018 for Fuji camera's are moving away soon after; but older users who have huge catalogues of edits are reluctantly staying and hoping for improvement, begging for improvement; they like many aspects, they may shoot other cameras, and they like the integration with Photoshop, InDesign et al.

The frustrating thing for me, and may other Fuji users is that so many other, less well developed, less funded, smaller businesses and even a couple of individual developers are doing Fuji RAW conversion SO MUCH BETTER than Adobe!

This is a company with a team of over 17,000 employees and profits of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS.

[dirtyw65653863]

You're missing the point. We don't wish to move away from Lightroom because we like the interface more than any other program. It makes the most sense and is intuitive. We will if we have to but we'd prefer not to. We're simply reminding Adobe that none of their customers are bound to them by anything. Secondly, this just shouldn't be a problem in the first place. Adobe has boat loads of money and more than enough people to fix the problem rather quickly. If one man can figure it out, surely Adobe can with an entire team.

[Cicuryn]

"reminds me some people whining when Trump was elected that they can just move to Canada... the last time I checked they still whining from here 🙂 " 

This is probably what Adobe hopes for with Lightroom too 😄

[deejjjaaaa]

>  people can just cancel and move to another developer?

reminds me some people whining when Trump was elected that they can just move to Canada... the last time I checked they still whining from here 🙂 ... how about you put your money where your mouth is  ?

[deejjjaaaa]

> Way too much clicking around from menu to menu to get to different tools. 

you know that you can customize that and group tools in tabs as you wish ? or make them floating too ?

> As much as I hate Adobe right now

"... Adobe, do you realize with monthly subscriptions, people can just cancel and move to another developer?..." 

that is what I thought... blah-blah-blah

[Samoreen]

Does the worming/oil painting effects go away when you first process in X-transformer?

Yes. And you get much more details than in LR.

and when I bring it back into Lr, are the film simulations intact

Yes, they are still available. Actually, I'm doing nothing in LR before the file has been converted to a DNG by X-Transformer. Then, the DNG can be handled like the original file. You can download a free demo. Just try...

[dirtyw65653863]

Good to know. I've been trying out the free version of Capture 1 (version 11) and I agree withy you. The interface is cumbersome. Way too much clicking around from menu to menu to get to different tools. As much as I hate Adobe right now, Lr still wipes the floor on user interface. Everything is in the right place and easy to get to. Does the worming/oil painting effects go away when you first process in X-transformer? and when I bring it back into Lr, are the film simulations intact? Those are the two things I want most

[Samoreen]

I'm very seriously considering ditching Lr for Capture 1 to gain the image quality I can't get from Adobe

I would say, refrain from doing this. I purchased a C1 license to handle my X-Trans file. C1 also has a lot of problems and an awkward user interface that should be re-designed. Moreover, updates are becoming extremely expensive.

My current best solution is to use Iridient X-Transformer which gives excellent results and allows me to work from within LR.

[Mike Katz]

I've switched over happily after being with Lightroom from day one. I far prefer capture One.

[john beardsworth]

Glad you like it! I have asked Adobe myself many times over the years.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Thanks.  I checked out your product and am impressed.  Purchased it.  This is a feature that I have emailed Adobe about a few times. Not to take away business from you, but Adobe already did the hard part with all their profiles for the different cameras, Fuji included, and all they have to do is apply them automatically.  Anyway,  not trying to steal this thread, just wanted to say thanks.