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Jim_Palik
Inspiring
January 29, 2018
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P: Is there a way to invert an Adjustment Brush mask?

  • January 29, 2018
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I have a picture with mixed color from several different light sources (Florescent + Incandescent). I was able to adjust the color satisfactorily for the skin tones but this leave the background yellow-green. If possible, I want to mask the people (much smaller mask) and adjust only the background color.

 

Is it possible to invert the mask so that I can adjust the background colors?

 

I look forward to your reply

 

Jim

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Correct answer Rikk Flohr_Photography

With Masking released at Max in October of 2021, it is now possible to invert any local adjustment. 

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Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
December 17, 2021

With Masking released at Max in October of 2021, it is now possible to invert any local adjustment. 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participating Frequently
December 22, 2021

You could tell us how. 

Community Expert
December 22, 2021

With the new interface, a Masks panel opens. This can be floating or else it can be "docked" just below the Histogram. An image can have multiple Masks and these can be named as you want. Each Mask has its own local adjustment settings including the use of a preset if you want. Each new Mask is started either with a brushed selection, or radial, or grad, or range, or select Sky, or select Subject. But then you can Add to or Subtract from this, further selection "layers" chosen from the same list of types, which then appear nested under that same parent entry in the Masks panel. Any of these selection "layers" can be inverted by clicking the three dots icon next to it in the Masks panel, and choosing Invert from the popup menu. Also you can Convert a given masking "layer" between Add / Subtract, in the same menu.

Arktog
Participant
November 17, 2021

Yes. With the latest update any sort of mask can be inverted now. Lets say you brushed over an area and now want to invert this selection. Simply right click on the button that shows up on the mask, usually from where you started applying the brush, and click "invert". Also if you use the new Select Subject option, you can right click on the mask in the mask dialogue box and click invert.

Community Expert
November 17, 2021

The gotcha to watch out for there, is that mask components (any of Select Sky or Select Subject, brushed or radial or graduated selection, colour range or tonal range selection) may have been combined using Add, Subtract or Intersect.

 

And in that case, inverting those selections alone will not achieve the opposite result. We'd also need to invert the operation which combines them, remembering that Intersecting two masks is a shortcut for Subtracting an inverted version of one from the other. Also, remembering that [A] Subtract [B] does not give the same output as [B] Subtract [A]. 

 

Consider [A] intersected with [B]: this is just their overlaps. [Not-A] intersected with [Not-B] will not give the opposite result. And there is no "extrasect" we can change the "intersect" TO. We can't just swap everything regardless.

 

To unpick, we might consider that [A] intersects [B] amounts to [A] Subtract [Not-B]. And a full inversion of THAT would be... what? [Not-A] Add [Not-B]... and not, as one might initially think, [Not-A] Add [B].

 

For another example: Not-A intersected with B, can be more simply conceived as [B] Subtract [A].

To invert that, we'd want [Not-B] Add [A] - or equally, which is the same thing, [A] Add [Not-B].

 

If all this seems logically tedious and abstract, and different from the normal relaxed and exploratory style of editing in Lightroom , well I would agree. This whole notion of inverting a mask is something of an intellectualisation IMO, and may not arise from what's actually needed to get the job done. Is this too rigid and preconceived an approach; what are the practical downsides of duplicating and inverting masks, e.g. what happens if something must later change - just some of my own reservations. The underlying selection tools are very welcome in themselves, though, no question.  

Matt Clara
Participating Frequently
November 17, 2021

You're over thinking it.  It doesn't matter that the ability to invert won't work in every instance, just like in photoshop with selections, the ability to invert is a useful tool that gets used a lot.  Just because one paint brush isn't applicable to every job doesn't mean that we shouldn't have that particular type of paint brush available.  

Known Participant
July 29, 2021

Is there a way to invert a range mask now?  This is an old thread, but I am using the current LrC 10.3 and I cannot find a way to invert a range mask.

Rob_Cullen
Community Expert
Community Expert
July 30, 2021

Please explain some more. A Luminance or Color mask?

If it is 'Luminance'- adjusting the Range Sliders can limit the mask to Highlights or Shadows. Is this what you mean?

My screen-clips are a monochrome image with the Red overlay showing the 'mask' on-

Highlights-

Shadows-

 

 

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .
Participant
July 31, 2018

Some useful workaround solutions offered but there is a strong case for the addition of a simple invert selection after processing. So after creating a selection of say a sky and adjusting you could work on the foreground Straight away.

Community Expert
July 31, 2018

quote: "So after creating a selection of say a sky and adjusting you could work on the foreground Straight away."

But you already CAN do so not just straight away, but even beforehand, via your global adjustments.

FIRST you set the tonality and feel of the overall picture (accepting for the moment in doing so, that the sky or some other identified part may get pushed too bright or whatever in the process, but making a mental note to address that next).

THEN you address the sky, as necessary, assuming global adjustments can't manage that, via a local adjustment of some sort. In relation to the global processing.

You can tweak the globals further as needed, you can tweak the locals further as needed.

Throughout you are free to do more painting or erasing onto your local's mask, without then incurring the problem of how to match those same additions and removals, in reverse, onto a separate inverse mask. Because you'd definitely need to avoid either leaving any gaps between, or else making any overlaps of, those two. Sounds very inflexible to me.

Participant
August 30, 2020

The task is simple: I want to mask something and do something to that part. Then I want to do something different to the remainder of the picture. The easiest solution would be to create a mask and then be able to invert it (like in photoshop) and do things to that part. Everytheng else is at best a work-around that takes time, is more complicated and does not work in all circumstances. 

Community Expert
January 29, 2018

You don't need to have two masks, in order to adjust one part of a picture differently than how you adjust the rest. Just use global adjustments to get the remainder of the picture as you want it. Then tweak the settings for the brushed area, in respect of those altered global settings.

Caveat: in doing this, it does sometimes make a practical difference whether you select part A of an image for local adjustment, or whether you select everything EXCEPT part A for local adjustment.

That's because global adjustments operate on top of the results of local adjustments (dependently).

So once a brightening local adjustment is blowing out some highlight detail, your global adjustments in order to get to the desired overall tonality, won't then be able to pull those blown highlights back. But if your local adjustment is darkening (protecting) certain areas suitably, you then can use a stronger global adjustment which brightens the whole image to produce your desired final tonality - this time, without having blown out any highlights along the way.

Inspiring
November 16, 2019

The Keywords in your post are ..."in respect of those altered global settings". 

 

Balancing Local Adjustment against Global Adjustments (settings) is what we have to do for every mask.  Usually this works out find though it isn't alwasy practical especially when what is needed really is an invert of the existing mask.  For example, I need to drive the color balance of the sky very blue and reduce contrast.  Also though, I need to drive the color of the rest of the image very yellow with extreme contrast.   You can't always press the local adjustments far enough to offset the Global settings and get the intended result and in many cases the final result is mush.   The case to invert a mask has been made for years on this and many other forums.  It would be a huge time saver - or we use Photshop instead which has included mask invert forever.  

franketh1
Participant
April 27, 2021

Great discussion and helpful for me. Thanks for the question, Jim, and your answer, Richard.
And I feel your pain, googull. Perhaps you know the trick of duplicating a filter or brush to double (or triple or quadruple) its effect. This has saved my bacon a number of times.

elie_dinur
Participating Frequently
January 29, 2018

Or mask the entire image by brushing over it with a very large hard brush (or by setting a Grad Filter that covers the entire image) and then erase the mask over the subject.

dj_paige
Legend
January 29, 2018

While it's not specifically inverting your existing mask, the new Range Masking in Lightroom Classic CC ought to enable you to select the desired areas as two separate masks.

Matt Clara
Participating Frequently
November 14, 2019

So, do the job twice.  Adobe needs to let us invert the current mask.