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The recommended order for applying edits is:
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Adobe are rolling out a technology called 'Content Credentials'. It's currently in many of the products utlising FireFly. Lightroom Desktop and Adobe Camera Raw currently include Content Credentials as a Technology Preview but not yet Lightroom Classic. I expect that it will probably be incorporated into Lightroom Classic at some point in the future. More details on Content Credentials can be found at https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/creative-cloud/help/content-credentials.html#:~:text=Adobe's%20Content%20...
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Ah, sweet. I will dig in on this on that page and in LrD. Thanks.
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Just my opinion...I feel like the 'band wagon' is to disclose everything that is remotly modified by ai, as though the ai tool is somehow unethical, unreasonable, unprofessional, or just 'un' whatever. Photographers have been using tools for eons to edit their images; dodge, burn, crop, de-spot, colorize, increase/decrease contrast, on and on and on...all of these tools were modifying the image to create what the artist wanted. There are a few hard-core photographers that live by the rule, 'a real photographer uses what was captured in the camera...un altered, and even go so far in the film-days of saying the sprokets and text on the sprokets was technically part of the image. AI is an advanced tool that gives the artist greater ability to create the art they want...we don't tell a painter, 'if you remove an element of a scene you paint you should disclose it'...it's their vision, it's their art.
Virtually every camera uses some form of AI...we have not started calling it AI until recently...but what is an auto exposure mode, or scene mode, or black and white mode, etc?...it's a tool that uses some form of computing power in the camera to change the image in a way the artist wants to capture it...so should we disclose that? In fact, isn't all photo-editing software tools a form of AI?...desnoising, cloning, healing, film looks,....the moment the image hits the editing software it's being artifically enhanced by some form of artificial intelligence. So no, I'm not a huge fan of companies forcing, transparently or secretly, imbedding "AI Enhanced" tags into my files. But, I also 100% accept that other's may not agree with me. 🙂 ~paul
...and just for fun here is my human-written comment from above, but ran through chatgpt 🙂
In my opinion, the current trend to disclose any image modifications made by AI seems to imply that using AI tools is somehow unethical, unreasonable, or unprofessional. For centuries, photographers have utilized a range of editing techniques—dodging, burning, cropping, de-spotting, colorizing, adjusting contrast, and more—to achieve their artistic vision. These tools have always been employed to modify images to match the artist's intent. A small number of purist photographers argue that a "real photographer" uses only what is captured in the camera, without any alterations. Some even claimed that in the days of film, the sprockets and text on the film edges were part of the image. However, AI represents an advanced tool that enhances the artist's ability to create their desired art. We do not require painters to disclose if they remove elements from a scene in their paintings—it is their vision and their art.
Nearly every modern camera incorporates some form of AI, though we have only recently begun to label it as such. Features like auto exposure mode, scene mode, and black and white mode are tools that utilize computational power to adjust the image according to the artist's preferences. Should we be disclosing these adjustments as well? In reality, isn't all photo-editing software essentially a form of AI? Techniques such as denoising, cloning, healing, and applying film looks involve some level of artificial enhancement from the moment the image enters the editing software. Therefore, I am not in favor of companies mandating the inclusion of "AI Enhanced" tags on my files, whether transparently or secretly. Nonetheless, I fully respect that others may hold different opinions on this matter.
~ Paul
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I agree that it's an interesting space full of questions—and as you say, one that is not new, at all! For me, it's about the borders of what's editing vs. what's creation, I think. My general feeling on a distinction—that we now have in Lightroom—is that all the tools you describe can't do something on the level of, say, creating an entirely new person to replace someone else.
I think whether you're using AI or not, that goes beyond the heavy editing that's currently possible/done. (Though, then that raises the question of simple removal... is that different from creation, depending on how you're doing it/what's being done?)
As I originally envisioned, though, it wouldn't be forced—just a better way of tagging it/filtering/etc if you wanted to. I have to explore the Content Credentials feature that @Ian Lyons described above, but that looks optional at first glance, too.
I think automatically applying a flag no matter what is another, much much larger discussion! For me, right now, it's a question with lots of nuance to still navigate. Questions of what "should" be disclosed/in what circumstances, or maybe even what you might want to disclose as a photographer/artist, and more. Appreciate the thoughtful points you raised, @HardShadows .
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@umlautnord: "You can already create a Smart Collection/filter that looks for something with any AI-based removal."
Yeah, Adobe's terminology here is a confusing and ambiguous. The Remove tool has three modes: Remove, Heal, and Clone,
The smart-collection criterion Has Remove matches a photo if it uses any of the three modes (Remove, Heal, Clone).
The smart-collection criterion Has AI Remove matches a photo if it uses the Remove mode of the Remove tool. If the Generative AI option is checked, the Remove mode uses the new Firefly technology on Adobe's servers; if it is unchecked, the Remove mode uses the old Content-Aware algorithm. Adobe considers both options as "AI".
The Any Filter plugin can search for photos using Remove mode with Generative AI:
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I was pretty sure that was how the Smart Collection filter was working. It is good to confirm!
I hadn't dug into AnyFilter as a tool to do this before Adobe adds anything... Thanks for confirming that it can do it, and identifying what the specific parameters are!
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If it has been mentioned before, pardon me, I was not going to read 1K+ responses.
The feature (AI generated remove) is amazing. What took me 10 minutes to take out (export to Photoshop and clone/heal for a more accurate removal) takes 10 seconds.
I've noticed that the red dot appears under remove button when I reopen the image file that have AI generated remove in a new session. I am perfectly happy with the results at the time I've quit the application. Could you rewrite the code so that Lightroom won't prompt me to update the remove setting that I am already happy with? I understand when AI generated masks and such needs an update after certain operations but is there a way for the user to"ignore" these prompts and turn off the red dot?
Thank you.
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@hidenise: "I've noticed that the red dot appears under remove button when I reopen the image file that have AI generated remove in a new session. I am perfectly happy with the results at the time I've quit the application."
LR normally remembers all the removes you've done and doesn't require you to update them when you restart LR. See here for one possible way to fix your LR:
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Great impressive start !
I like not having to go to Photoshop to do it.
I found one problem when trying to remove human being, it generates an other human being instead of removing it.
However, very nice tool.
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See this article for how to more reliably remove objects:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.
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This is a great tool for speeding up the process of removing more complex distractions from photos. What used to be a round-trip to Photoshop and back that could, before the days of generative AI, take half an hour, is now a matter of seconds. Thanks!
I'm sure this has been mentioned in this long thread, so here's another voice of concern with regards to the detail quality of the generated patches: they are generally rather low in resolution, and the bigger the generated patch, the easier it is to spot it. I'm working with 36-45 mp raw files on a 5k monitor and am hoping that this will improve in the future.
Again, thanks for a very useful tool.
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@alexskunz: "I'm sure this has been mentioned in this long thread, so here's another voice of concern with regards to the detail quality of the generated patches: they are generally rather low in resolution, and the bigger the generated patch, the easier it is to spot it. I'm working with 36-45 mp raw files on a 5k monitor and am hoping that this will improve in the future."
There are indeed other posts here about textures and details not matching, sometimes on small patches and sometimes larger. I've observed it in some uses but not others. I think it would help Adobe to understand the scope of the issue by attaching here a full-resolution JPEG of the original photo plus a screenshot (not a phone pic) showing the selection you used.
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I'm finding it really struggles to remove things from the edge of the frame smoothly. It tends to leave a messy blur behind.
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@joshuap5291131: "I'm finding it really struggles to remove things from the edge of the frame smoothly. It tends to leave a messy blur behind."
The current Remove design (for better or worse) looks at all the pixels of the original photo, including those that have been cropped out by Crop, Lens Corrections, and Transform. If you don't select all the pixels of an object (e.g. because they're cropped out), Remove will try to match the remaining pixels. So temporarily disable those tools, apply Remove, and then re-enable them.
See this article for details and other tips for how to get Remove to reliably remove objects:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
If this doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.
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Spot removal sucks now. It doesn't remove all that I select even with the opacity all the way up. The size also sets itself for some reason. It just keeps getting smaller and I have to resize it a million times. I really hate this update.
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@samantha382101567ggi: "Spot removal sucks now. It doesn't remove all that I select even with the opacity all the way up."
To which Remove mode (button) are you referring:
Remove (), Heal (
), or Clone (
)?
The names of these have changed a few times over the years, and the current naming is very confusing. There are separate issues and bugs with each, so it's important to know which one you're using.
Also, please post a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) showing the problem.
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@samantha382101567ggi: "The size also sets itself for some reason. It just keeps getting smaller and I have to resize it a million times."
Unfortunately, this is a year-old bug for which Adobe hasn't prioritized a fix:
Please add your upvote and details of how it occurs to that bug report.
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This new arase tool is amaising!
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Have had really good success removing things like flash on glasses. works fairly predictibly. I have the most issue if trying to remove small things like wayward strands of a graduation tassle
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removes absolutely nothing!!!!!
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@garyb2613: "removes absolutely nothing!!!!!"
See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/
Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach the original photo here (not an export) so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.
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I love how it is work! Now I can do almost everything in LR without Photoshop
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It appears to do a good job ... hopefuly it will make it in the stable version and it will do a better job!
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Trying to remove objects but just seems to add random objects in place of.
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Removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issue by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace