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February 12, 2024
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Slow operation while performing basic edits

  • February 12, 2024
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Hi there

I have been struggling with the same issue for a long time which is that on my laptop Lightroom runs SO SLOW! And every time I use it, even for basic edits like cropping or adjusting white balance, I get a spinning wheel and have to wait several seconds for each adjustment to be applied. Plus the fans on my computer go crazy and the Activity Monitor says LR is using many hundreds of percent of my CPU.
I have persisted for a long time as I didn’t know what else to do, but I recently bought a Canon R5 which has much larger file sizes than my old Canon 5D IV and now it’s making editing anything almost impossible. 
I really don’t think I should need to buy a new computer, but perhaps I have no choice! However, my system seems to be well above the minimum requirements.
I am running:
LR Classic 13.1 release (but this is has been a problem with previous versions too)
MacBook Pro 13-inch, 2020.
Processor 2.3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core I
Graphics Intel Iris Plus Graphics 1536 MB
Memory 32 GB 3733 MHz LPDDR4X
macOS Ventura 13.6.1
Is there a way to solve this or is my only option to buy an even more powerful computer?
Thanks
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johnrellis
Legend
February 14, 2024

"And every time I use it, even for basic edits like cropping or adjusting white balance, I get a spinning wheel and have to wait several seconds for each adjustment to be applied."

 

Even with the low-end graphics processor on your Macbook, LR shouldn't do that when doing basic edits. Before considering a new computer, I recommend testing dj_paige's suggestion that your computer could be overheating due to clogged vents or fans. Many people have reported symptoms similar to yours that were caused by such overheating.

 

Intel no longer makes it's free utility available, but there are other Intel Mac temperature utilities, e.g. 

https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/59725/temp-monitor

Known Participant
February 14, 2024

Ok thank you, I will try that first. Though TBF, the fan thing has been happening ever since I got the computer brand new a few years ago, and it only starts up as soon as I fire up LR, not at any other time, so I don't think it's that. It's just even worse now with the R5 RAW files.

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February 21, 2024
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Thank you. If I do buy a new one with an M3 Pro chip, do I then need less memory? My current computer has 32gb but is still struggling.

By @bellaf95161709

 

The answers change depending on which applications you use the most, so the answers below are specific to Lightroom Classic.

 

Memory:

 

18GB should work, but the upgrade to 36GB will be worth it for a camera with more megapixels (such as the R5), or if you edit files with large pixel dimensions (e.g., panoramas), do a lot of merges (multi-frame merges to HDR or panoramas), or add many layers in Photoshop. My M1 Pro has 32GB, and based on what I see from watching memory usage and where software is going, I think 32GB is my minimum in the future.

 

For Mac photo editing, one big reason to avoid the minimum amount is that the memory is shared with the graphics hardware (GPU). So when using an application such as Lightroom Classic that can use the GPU to enhance performance, it’s good to have more than the minimum so that the OS, applications, and GPU all have the memory they need for full potential performance.

 

Again, having owned a similar Intel Core i5 13" MacBook Pro, I continue to believe the problems your current Mac has are not related to the memory amount, but due to the older, less powerful CPU and the very limited graphics hardware it comes with. An M1/M2/M3 will address those problems.

 

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Upgrading to 36gb costs £360 extra but I don't know if it's needed if i have a better chip? Also what is the difference between 11-core CPU / 14-core GPU and 12-core CPU / 18-core GPU and which one do I need?

By @bellaf95161709

 

Upgrading the chip and the memory are sort of different subjects, but again it depends on the application. In general, though, if you have demands that need a more powerful chip, that usually means you shouldn’t bottleneck it with too little memory. In other words, having a balanced system is important because everything works together.

 

Regarding the cores and Lightroom Classic:

 

If you get more CPU cores, some activities that involve processing many images at once should be faster, like building/updating previews in parallel and maybe pasting edit settings on many images at once. But the 11-core base model should be quite good as it is, so I don’t think this is the highest priority. (Mine has 8 CPU cores.)

 

If you get more GPU cores, activities that use GPU acceleration should be faster. Those can include the Develop module on high megapixel images, AI masking, and bulk export of hundreds of images at the same time. Right now the biggest beneficiary of GPU cores is AI Denoise; if you use that feature often or plan to, the number of GPU cores is directly related to how fast AI Denoise goes. Generally, twice the GPU cores will run AI Denoise twice as fast, which for some people is the difference between needing an hour vs a half hour to batch AI Denoise 60 high-megapixel images.

 

If you’re looking only at the M3 Pro, the performance difference between 11/14 and 12/18 CPU/GPU cores might not be enough to notice, especially if you tend to edit only one or two images at a time. That is part of the reason I went with the base Pro to save some money. (Doubling of cores comes with the expensive M3 Max, and the M3 Ultra which is not out yet. The people who should get the M3 Max do high volume shoots at least a few times a month.)


Thank you again for taking the time to write such a clear and helpful reply.

 

Conrad_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 12, 2024

I have a similar 13-inch MacBook Pro from 2018, and it does the same thing. This is exactly the reason Apple gave up on Intel and chose to spend a pile of money to develop their own more efficient Apple Silicon computer processors. And unfortunately, the 2020 is the last version of the 13-inch MacBook Pro to use Intel processors, so it is the last one to run hot and loud under this type of editing.

 

I used the word “unfortunately” because 2020 is the year Apple rolled out the first M1 Mac laptop, a big jump up and far superior to any Intel Mac laptop in almost every way. Yes, having to buy a new Mac is an expensive solution, but literally any Apple Silicon laptop right back to the original M1 MacBook Air from 2020 is going to be a much better photo editing experience than any 13-inch Intel MacBook Pro. Especially with the higher megapixel images from newer cameras.

 

For example, if you were to get a 14" MacBook Pro, either the new M3 or (now old and discounted, so very good value) M2, either option would provide stunningly higher performance than a 2020 13" Intel MacBook Air, and, without overheating. Also, the graphics hardware in any M1 or newer is much more capable than the Intel integrated graphics on the Intel 13" MacBook Pro, by a wide margin. For example, the GPU in my 2021 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro runs Lightroom Classic AI Denoise several times faster than my 13" Intel MacBook Pro.

 

If you are on a budget, and you mostly work on images one or two at a time, even a current 13" or 15" MacBook Air would be a major step up in performance, and there is no fan to hear. (The MacBook Pro can handle a higher workload because it has fans, but you usually won’t hear them.)

Known Participant
February 13, 2024

Thank you so much for this very clear and helpful reply! So basically there's no workaround, and having just dropped 8K on new camera gear, I'm now going to need to fork out another £2K on a new laptop? 😞 

Legend
February 13, 2024

Adobe products make heavy use of the GPU. The 13" Intel machines simply don't have much GPU power.

A US$600 Mac mini would run circles around that MacBook Pro.

dj_paige
Legend
February 12, 2024
Legend
February 12, 2024

The problem is the integrated graphics. I use a 16 inch 2020 MBP at work with the 4GB discrete Radeon Pro 5300M (which is a mid-range card but WAY better than the Iris Plus) and it runs great, no slowdowns working with RAW files.

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February 13, 2024

Thank you for answering. So you're saying I DO need a new computer? Even with 32 gig of memory? 

dj_paige
Legend
February 12, 2024

Plus the fans on my computer go crazy and the Activity Monitor says LR is using many hundreds of percent of my CPU.

 

This is due to heat build-up in the Macbook. When this happens, often the Mac OS will throttle back the CPU so it produces less heat, and this could be the cause of the slow operation of LrC.

 

You want to vaccuum out all the air vents on the case, and also make sure none of the vents are obstructed by a wall or furniture. If possible, open the case and vaccuum it out as well. Consider using a laptop cooling device like this.