Slow when using a mask in LRC 13

[DavePinMinn]

Desktop PC.  I9-12900, 64GB memory, GPU is an Nvidia 4060TI.  All the storage is on M.2 NVMe with images on an 8 TB SSD. 

Images are nothing special – I see the same behavior whether it’s a 20 megapixel image or a 50 megapixel one.

I looked through several of the topics in here (some from older versions, some from LRC13) from other people having performance issues with Lightroom 13.X.  Hopefully, I’ve missed something simple, but I didn’t see much to resolve the problems.

I have to add myself to the people having problems with slow, laggy, hanging operations in Lightroom 13.

I upgraded from the AMD GPU that worked OK with LRC 12 to the 4060 TI was because once I started using LRC 13, performance deteriorated.  I thought throwing a more capable GPU at the problem would cure it.  Didn’t work. 

It’s not a problem as near as I can tell when doing normal, “adjust sliders in Develop” or “select a keyword” sort of adjustments.  But when doing things like masks, particularly brush masks, the cursor just stops and hangs for up to several seconds, then resumes.  It makes getting accurate selections more difficult because the cursor isn’t smooth.  Zooming to 100% to make more accurate selections makes it worse.

Similar behavior can happen when using the Lens Blur – the cursor hangs when doing Blur or Focus and when making adjustments in Visualize Depth.  I also see it occasionally when doing content-aware remove, but I only use that very rarely in Lightroom. 

I was also hoping for faster exports, faster 1:1 previews, and so on.  Not much happened there either, but I can live with that if I can get rid of the hanging and lag.

I don’t see this behavior with any of the tools in Photoshop.

I don’t see the behavior in Topaz Photo AI, which runs perceptibly faster with the 4060 than with the old GPU.

I’ve done the “standard” things I believe.  Tried no graphics acceleration – just made everything slower.  And the partial acceleration.  And full acceleration.  The lag, hang and such is always there. 

I disabled the onboard GPU.

I opened the Nvidia control panel and added both Lightroom and Photoshop in there.

I've made sure it' susing the durrent drivers.  I've tried both the studio and game-ready drivers.

Are there settings for the GPU in the Nvidia control panel that can be configured to make Lightroom (and Photoshop, but mostly Lightroom) perform significantly better?

Are there other things I should try that are likely to address the problem?  System configuration?  Something in Lightroom configuration? 

Has Adobe said anything about being aware of the problem and trying to correct it?

[F. McLion]

Please read @AxelMatt tips on performance in here: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/lightroom-slow/td-p/14611504

In addition:

- Have you excluded the photos as well as the entire folder where your catalog and all the other LrC files (previews...) from your AV scanner solution?

- Have you installed any plugins in LrC ? Which?

[DavePinMinn]

I'll go read the rest of the discussions you pointed at, but so far they've all been things I'm aware of.

I'm not sure what you mean by

"Have you excluded the photos as well as the entire folder where your catalog and all the other LrC files (previews...) from your AV scanner solution?"

As for plugins, I only have a couple that aren't disabled, and they're both plugins that have been there for at least a few years - long before LRC 13.  Helicon Focus Export and Topaz Photo AI are those.

[F. McLion]

Checking every file you open or work with by the Anti-Virus scanner is lowering performance.

That said, all the folders containing your photos as well as the Lightroom catalog folder and all the folders below (Previews and more ...) can be excluded from AV scanning to support in improving performance, as they are usually not suspect for viruses.

[John R Ellis]

Please do the LR menu command Help > System Info and copy/paste the entire contents here so we can see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running and important LR options that are set.

"Are there settings for the GPU in the Nvidia control panel that can be configured to make Lightroom (and Photoshop, but mostly Lightroom) perform significantly better?"

You should use default, out-of-the-box settings for Nvidia GPUs, turning off any gaming "optimizations" and disabling any third-party overclocking or "optimization" utilities.

[DavePinMinn]

I don't knowingly have ANY gaming or other optimizations turned on.  Nor have I done anything with overclocking or optimization utilities.  I'd prefer NOT to screw with things on the GPU if it can be avoided, but I don't know whether the defaults are correct for using Adobe products or not.

Here's the help>system info

Lightroom Classic version: 13.2 [ 202402141005-bf1aeb84 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 11 - Business Edition
Version: 11.0.22631
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 24
Processor speed: 3.1GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 0.0%
Built-in memory: 65315.8 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 2691.7MB / 7949.0MB (33%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 65315.8 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 1231.6 MB (1.8%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 31224.5 MB
GDI objects count: 1054
USER objects count: 2405
Process handles count: 7628
Memory cache size: 4635.1MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.2 [ 1763 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 1387MB / 32657MB (4%)
Camera Raw real memory: 1389MB / 65315MB (2%)

Cache1:
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Preview2- RAM:22.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _A113529.ARW
Preview3- RAM:22.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _A113530.ARW
NT- RAM:66.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, Combined:66.0MB

Cache2:
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final2- RAM:167.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _A113529.ARW
final3- RAM:167.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _A113528.ARW
T- RAM:501.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, Combined:501.0MB

Cache3:
m:4635.1MB, n:112.8MB

U-main: 179.0MB

System DPI setting: 120 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Standard Preview Size: 1680 pixels
Displays: 1) 3840x1600
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: Yes, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (31.0.15.5222)
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: GPU for Export enabled

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: L:\Incoming\Incoming-v13.lrcat
Settings Folder: C:\Users\David Perez\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) ColorChecker Camera Calibration
2) Helicon Focus Export
3) Topaz Photo AI

Config.lua flags:
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[shorted to the information needed - Mod.]

[John R Ellis]

"I don't knowingly have ANY gaming or other optimizations turned on.  Nor have I done anything with overclocking or optimization utilities."

The AMD utility has, for the last many months, started automatically applying gaming optimizations to LR, causing it to misbehave for many users. But I haven't seen any similar reports for Nvidia's utility doing that automatically.  You could verify that hasn't happened in your case by running their utility.

Based on hundreds of reports here, Nvidia GPUs from the last five years or so generally work well with LR (as long as the drivers are recent).  So there's little reason to expect that your RTX 4060 TI (announced a year ago) should give LR problems.

Unfortunately, Adobe inexplicably refuses to allow users to disable use of the GPU by AI commands (masking, Denoise, Lens Blur) -- LR uses the GPU for those commands regardless of the setting in Preferences.  To confirm that this misbehavior is associated with the GPU, you can boot Windows into Safe Mode With Networking, which will prevent LR from accessing the GPU. LR will likely be quite sluggish, but you shouldn't see hangs or long pauses.  If you do, that would point the finger away from the GPU to some other cause.

[KR Seals]

Is drive L: the 8TB NVMe you mentioned in the OP?  Image files also on that drive?

[DavePinMinn]

The 8TB drive is a SATA SSD that ONLY has images on it.  O/S and catalogues are on a separate SSD, in different partitions.  Temp is on a separate SSD.

None of this is new.  All these physical configurations have been in place for years.

The anti-virus scanner is Windows Defender and it has also been in place for years.

Other than going to the Nvidia 4060 TI, there's essentially nothing in the physical setup that's changed since LONG before LRC 13 showed up.  I"ll keep looking at the recommended other topics.

[vilmantasr]

LR 13.2 very laggy with Nvidia 4060, which I had to replace to 4070. 4060Ti is better, but it has 128 bit memory bus, like 4060.

[DavePinMinn]

vilmantasr, I can't argue with what you're saying since I don't know enough, but it seems unlikely to me that Adobe would do something so insanely resource intensive as to need at 4070 or HIGHER performance GPU to perform adequately.  I'd think there would be a LOT of pushback on having to spend $500+ for a GPU so Lightroom isn't laggy.  'Course, I'd have thought there would be a lot of pushback when Adobe decided to get the features in LRC13 you needed a GPU with 8GB on it.  That said, it is Adobe so anything is possible.

I'm going to be out-of-town for the next week, and editing on the laptop - Dell Precision 7400, 64GB memory, Nvidia Quadro RTX 3000, all on SSDs, and a 2560x1600 screen instead of the 4K.  I don't RECALL the same performance problems when I last used it for editing last October, so I'll see what happens.  If the much less capable laptop doesn't have the same issues when doing the same thing, there's something screwy on my desktop.

[John R Ellis]

"it seems unlikely to me that Adobe would do something so insanely resource intensive as to need at 4070 or HIGHER performance GPU to perform adequately. "

Indeed, many reports here of successful use of the 40, 30, and even 20,and 10 series GPUs. The older GPUs do fine except with Denoise and Lens Blur (and People masking is very sluggish).  If there were a widespread issue with the 4060 TI, we'd see a lot of reports here. I think your issue is more specific to your hardware or installation and likely much harder to resolve.

[sebastianv70467101]

I just installed an RTX 4060 to manage Denoise enhance and that worked fine reducing rendering time from 20 minutes(!) to 15 seconds. But unfortunately I got severe issues with mouse pointer lagging on images with many masks and I cannot find any NVIDIA settings to cure this problem

[vilmantasr]

I had to sell 4060, becouse it was to weak for Ligtroom (Ligtroom alocates all VRAM and starts using system RAM for GPU),. 4070 is better, but not perfect.

[John R Ellis]

@sebastianv70467101, try updating your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, please copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.

[DavePinMinn]

Back from goofing off...  While gone, I was using the Dell 7740 with 64GB of memory, the same SSD for images, and a Quadro 3000 GPU.  There are things on the laptop that run as fast as things on the desktop.  Like creating previews or running Lightroom Denoise.  On a normal Alpha 1 image, it takes around 30 seconds on the desktop to process.  About the same on the laptop, and sometimes faster, which I thought would be a lot slower.

On the other hand, in Helicon Focus, the desktop is significantly faster with the 4060 than it was with the AMD 5700XT, and faster than the laptop at processing image stacks.

At the moment, I'm not seeing any immediate bad behavior in images.  I tried creating several masks and working at 200%, which definitely caused lagging and poor performance previously, but at the MOMENT things appear OK.

Is there any chance this is another one of the "You have to shut down Lightroom and restart it frequently to keep performance from degrading" issues?

In any case, I'll try to isolate more specific instances where things degrade, but at the moment I've run through the articles recommended earlier in this thread and made a few changes, though nothing I think would make much difference.

[Peter38015212znyq]

Hi

I have had the same issue with LR since it went to V13.  Everything was fine before that.  When I went back to an earlier version the problem remained so I think V13 has made a permanant adjustment to my system somewhere.  I even uninstalled and reinstalled lightroom and the same problem recurred with masking and lets not even talk about denoise!

I can usually do two images before the hanging wheel of death appears and I have to restart lightroom.  My GPU meets minimum requirements+ so expect some performance lag but for it to permanantly hang.   Look fwd to seeing this issue resolved.  I would be happy to upgrade GPU if that was the issue but sounds like you have done that and problem still remains.  I have provided my system details below for comparison.

Lightroom Classic version: 13.3.1 [ 202405311538-6d7c0308 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Home Premium Edition
Version: 10.0.19045
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 12
Processor speed: 3.6GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 4.0%
Power Source: Plugged In, 255%
Built-in memory: 49093.3 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1356.1MB / 1967.1MB (68%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 49093.3 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 2310.7 MB (4.7%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 4059.0 MB
GDI objects count: 853
USER objects count: 2378
Process handles count: 2880
Memory cache size: 432.1MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.3.1 [ 1889 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 757MB / 24546MB (3%)
Camera Raw real memory: 789MB / 49093MB (1%)

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U-main: 100.0MB

System DPI setting: 96 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Standard Preview Size: 1440 pixels
Displays: 1) 1920x1200
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
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Init State: GPU for Display supported by default with image processing and export supported in the custom mode
User Preference: GPU for Image Processing Enabled

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
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Settings Folder: C:\Users\phugg\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

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[DavePinMinn]

My system is way beyond the minimums for anything as far as I know.

Most frequently, and this happened yesterday again, it is worst when doing masks.  One or two masks and the system has a lot of glitches.  Move the cursor, it moves, then stops, hangs, then starts moving again.  It'll hang for 3, 4, 5 seconds then move.  I SEE it the most when I'm doing masks in Lightroom, but I presume it happens other times too.  I NEVER see it in Photoshop or Word or anything else, but it definitely happens in Lightroom.

Shutting Lightroom down and restarting sometimes makes it better for a little while (20 - 30 minutes maybe)...

The lens blur is also slow, laggy and glitchy, but I expect that to still be slow and laggy.

[KR Seals]

@Peter38015212znyq 

Your video card/GPU is a very low power version by today's standards. Try something like one of the RTX 30XX GPUs from Nvidia. I upgraded my PC from a GTX 1660 Super to a RTX 3070ti with great results.

[John R Ellis]

@Peter38015212znyq, "DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 (31.0.15.5186)

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 1356.1MB / 1967.1MB (68%)"

To build on KR Seals, your GPU barely meets the minimum requirements for LR Classic (2 GB of graphics memory), and it's a 7-year-old card. But it should be adequate for LR on a 1920 x 1200 display (though Lens Blur and Denoise would be horribly slow).

Your driver is three months old -- it's always a good idea to be on the latest driver, though it probably won't make a difference to your symptoms:

https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/226798/en-us/

[sebastianv70467101]

My work arounds to cure my LR mouse pointer lagging (which starts after making multiple masks on an image) are to exit and the re-enter LR. Also purging the cache helps. But the problems come back as soon as I make another multiple mask image.

Lightroom Classic version: 13.4 [ 202406181129-60d181b7 ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition

Version: 10.0.19045

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 16

Processor speed: 3,6GHz

SqLite Version: 3.36.0

CPU Utilisation: 1,0%

Power Source: Plugged In, 255%

Built-in memory: 65382,1 MB

Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 42,8MB / 7957,0MB (0%)

Real memory available to Lightroom: 65382,1 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 1364,4 MB (2,0%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 1565,6 MB

GDI objects count: 954

USER objects count: 3030

Process handles count: 2175

Memory cache size: 416,7MB

Internal Camera Raw version: 16.4 [ 1897 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2

Camera Raw virtual memory: 281MB / 32691MB (0%)

Camera Raw real memory: 227MB / 65382MB (0%)

Cache1:

Final1- RAM:166,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, 938A5670.CR3

NT- RAM:166,0MB, VRAM:0,0MB, Combined:166,0MB

Cache2:

m:416,7MB, n:165,5MB

U-main: 99,0MB

System DPI setting: 144 DPI (high DPI mode)

Desktop composition enabled: Yes

Standard Preview Size: 3840 pixels

Displays: 1) 3840x2160

Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 (32.0.15.5585)

Init State: GPU for Export supported by default

User Preference: GPU for Image Processing Enabled

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: G:\Lightroom 2024\Lightroom 2024-v13-3.lrcat

Settings Folder: C:\Users\svwph\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:

1) AdobeStock

2) Canon Professional Print && Layout

3) Flickr

4) Nikon Tether Plugin

Config.lua flags:

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AudioDeviceName: $$$/dvaaudiodevice/SystemDefaultAndEffectiveDeviceName=System Default - Speakers (Head Box S2 digital)#{comment}DVAAU-4201250: Open the audio hardware preferences page.

AudioDeviceNumberOfChannels: 2

AudioDeviceSampleRate: 44100

Build: LR5x120

Direct2DEnabled: false

GL_ACCUM_ALPHA_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_BLUE_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_GREEN_BITS: 16

GL_ACCUM_RED_BITS: 16

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GL_BLUE_BITS: 8

GL_DEPTH_BITS: 24

GL_GREEN_BITS: 8

GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE: 16384

GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 32768

GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 4

GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS: 32768,32768

GL_RED_BITS: 8

GL_RENDERER: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060/PCIe/SSE2

GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION: 4.60 NVIDIA

GL_STENCIL_BITS: 8

GL_VENDOR: NVIDIA Corporation

GL_VERSION: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 555.85

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[GoldingD]

sebastianv70467101

Graphics Processor Info:

DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 (32.0.15.5585)

Init State: GPU for Export supported by default

User Preference: GPU for Image Processing Enabled

So GPU driver v 555.85. A slightly newer GPU driver was released, v 560.70

[RG631971]

Did you ever get this resolved?  Have run into the identical problem when using multiple masks in LR classic.  Have searched and tried various solutions offered here and in other posts without much impact.  Hoping you might have stumbled onto something.

[John R Ellis]

@RG631971 

try updating your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, please copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.

[RG631971]

Complete info is listed below.  Checked card and all appears okay.  Updating drivers was first thing I did when this started.  Again (from another post), I had not experienced any problems until started some more complex masking tasks as recommended in a different thread. 

Lightroom Classic version: 13.4 [ 202406181129-60d181b7 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition
Version: 10.0.19045
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 8
Processor speed: 3.5GHz
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
CPU Utilisation: 2.0%
Power Source: Plugged In, 255%
Built-in memory: 32719.1 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 3544.6MB / 16109.0MB (22%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 32719.1 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 2331.2 MB (7.1%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 6537.2 MB
GDI objects count: 727
USER objects count: 1889
Process handles count: 2416
Memory cache size: 802.6MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 16.4 [ 1897 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 1017MB / 16359MB (6%)
Camera Raw real memory: 1088MB / 32719MB (3%)

Cache1:
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Final3- RAM:190.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _RPG4312.NEF
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Preview8- RAM:21.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _RPG4308.NEF
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Preview11- RAM:21.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, _RPG4311.NEF
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Cache2:
m:802.6MB, n:739.4MB

U-main: 111.0MB

System DPI setting: 96 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Standard Preview Size: 1920 pixels
Displays: 1) 1920x1080, 2) 1920x1080, 3) 1920x1080
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: Yes, External touch: No, External pen: Yes, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (32.0.15.6070)
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: Auto

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: C:\01_Lightroom\R_Photographic\R_Photographic-v13-3.lrcat
Settings Folder: C:\Users\Robert P Garner PhD\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) AdobeStock
2) Flickr
3) Lightroom to Exposure
4) Luminar Neo
5) Nikon Tether Plugin
6) ON1 Effects 2023
7) ON1 Photo RAW 2024

Config.lua flags:

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Device : 2805
Subsystem : 89211043
Revision : a1
Video Memory : 16109
Adapter #2: Vendor : 1414
Device : 8c
Subsystem : 0
Revision : 0
Video Memory : 0
AudioDeviceIOBlockSize: 1024
AudioDeviceName: $$$/dvaaudiodevice/SystemDefaultAndEffectiveDeviceName=System Default - VX2270 SERIES (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)#{comment}DVAAU-4201250: Open the audio hardware preferences page.
AudioDeviceNumberOfChannels: 2
AudioDeviceSampleRate: 48000
Build: LR5x120
Direct2DEnabled: false
GL_ACCUM_ALPHA_BITS: 16
GL_ACCUM_BLUE_BITS: 16
GL_ACCUM_GREEN_BITS: 16
GL_ACCUM_RED_BITS: 16
GL_ALPHA_BITS: 0
GL_BLUE_BITS: 8
GL_DEPTH_BITS: 24
GL_GREEN_BITS: 8
GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE: 16384
GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE: 32768
GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 4
GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS: 32768,32768
GL_RED_BITS: 8
GL_RENDERER: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION: 4.60 NVIDIA
GL_STENCIL_BITS: 8
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GL_VERSION: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 560.70
GPUDeviceEnabled: false
OGLEnabled: true
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