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Unbearable difference between library and develop

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October 25, 2020
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Hello everybody.

I've been having this problem that has been killing my images, having me working on images much different from the ones i shot.

I know that this is a common question, but i tried most of the stuff recommended in other threads and it didn't change.

I tried to change the import preferences, setting the GPU on off, changing the monitor profile to RGB...

My images are usually much darker in the develop module, at least 1 full point of exposure darker than in the library.

The only thing left would be to calibrate my monitor, which should already be good.

Do you think that it'll solve my problem? Do you have any recommendation?

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Correct answer Todd Shaner

Guys, in the OP's Library module screenshot the following text appears anteprima incoporata. Translated from Italian to English it means embedded preview. So the OP is using Embedded & Sidecar preview setting in the Import module. EDIT ~~Zooming to 1:1 view in the Library module or~~ Making an adjustment in the Develop module should replace the embedded preview with one generated by LrC using the raw image file. If not in the Library module go Library> Previews and select 'Build Standard-Sized Previews' or 'Build 1:1 Previews.'

Todd Shaner

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"I've been giving more exposure to the images in Lightroom, cause i didn't want to overexpose while shooting"

A few points here. The camera viewfinder preview and histogram are created using an in-camera processed JPEG image. As such the dynamic range is much more limited than the actual raw data and will show viewfinder and histogram highlight clipping that isn't present in the raw image file. That's one on many reasons why we use raw mode. Even the LrC Histogram isn't accurate and will show clipping that can be easily recovered using -Highlights and/or -Exposure. Download the free trial of RawDigger and check its histogram. I bet you'll find most of your raw image files are underexposed (-1 EV or more). Enjoy and happy shooting!

https://www.rawdigger.com/download

Todd Shaner

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"Since what i see in Lightroom isn't what i see when i shoot in the camera, but is instead much darker, should i change something?"

The Develop module raw preview (darker) and Library with the embedded preview difference is most likely due to an in-camera setting. As already mentioned these settings are visible in the camera's viewfinder and in camera JPEG files, but not the raw image file. Looking at the camera manual there are a number of settings that will cause this difference. On page 24 Shooting modes use only the P, A, S, and M settings as the other modes will apply adjustments to the in-camera preview, which is the same as the embedded preview inside LrC. Using those modes should reduce the preview difference your seeing. The same is true for the Picture Mode settings on page 69 and the settings on pages 79-84. These settings are only applied to the in-camera JPEG, viewfinder preview, and camera histogram, but have no affect on the raw image file inside LrC. These settings should only be used if you want to shoot in-camera processed JPEGs or Raw + JPEG mode to see the effect.

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Soothing_Ripple5CF2Author

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Thank you, i fully understand.

I only shoot Manual mode, so yeah, unless i changed somethings, it shouldn't have happened, so i guess i did.

i resetted the settings and will do some tries tomorrow.

It's a shame that the 400 photos of my last trip are in that condition, but i'm glad i know what the problem is/was now.

I didn't know that the LCD showed the Jpeg, so that helps, but i did notice that even when my LCD showed overexposed highlights i could easily recover them in Lightroom.

Just to be sure, the situation is: I was missing critical information about how RAW works in camera, and i based all of my shots on what i saw in the LCD, which is wrong in a normal condition, and even wronger when you have some weird setting that enhances the shadows.

Todd ShanerCorrect answer

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Guys, in the OP's Library module screenshot the following text appears anteprima incoporata. Translated from Italian to English it means embedded preview. So the OP is using Embedded & Sidecar preview setting in the Import module. EDIT ~~Zooming to 1:1 view in the Library module or~~ Making an adjustment in the Develop module should replace the embedded preview with one generated by LrC using the raw image file. If not in the Library module go Library> Previews and select 'Build Standard-Sized Previews' or 'Build 1:1 Previews.'

Per Berntsen

Community Expert

Good catch!

D Fosse

Community Expert

There is a recent and seemingly similar case here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/library-module-and-navigator-image-look-different-than-develop-module/td-p/11537459?page=1

I'm beginning to wonder if there may possibly be a bug here somewhere.

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Soothing_Ripple5CF2Author

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I see.

My problem has been there since i got this laptop actually, so at least four months.

D Fosse

Community Expert

OK. This is so far a mystery.

I had to double check on my own Windows 10 system, just to make sure I hadn't missed anything, but they are absolutely dead identical here.

GoldingD

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Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (26.21.14.4223)

So GPU driver v442.23. Per NVIDIA web page, current GeForce Game Ready is v456.71, same for Studio version.

You should have a NVIDIA utility called GeForce Experience to update that.

Be aware, that at least one member has an issue with LrC v10, on Windows 10 PC with RTX 2080, and the latest GPU driver:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/gpu-rendering-stops-processing/m-p/11527507?page=1

And one with RTX 2070:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-v-10-0-friert-bei-verlaufsfilter-und-pinselbearbeitung/m-p/11537689?page=1

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Soothing_Ripple5CF2Author

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Oh wow, i didn't know that.

I am currently updating it, the chances of having issues later is not that relevant right now, since as the situations is now, i wouldn't be able to work either.

Thanks a lot.

GoldingD

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Please post your System Information as Lightroom Classic (LrC) reports it. In LrC click on Help, then System Info, then Copy. Paste that information into a reply. Please present all information from first line down to and including Plug-in Info. Info after Plug-in info can be cut as that is just so much dead space to us non-Techs.

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Soothing_Ripple5CF2Author

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Here it is.

Lightroom Classic version: 10.0 [ 202010011851-ef6045e0 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en
Operating system: Windows 10 - Home Premium Edition
Version: 10.0.18363
Application architecture: x64
System architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 12
Processor speed: 2,5 GHz
SqLite Version: 3.30.1
Built-in memory: 16304,2 MB
Real memory available to Lightroom: 16304,2 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 1304,7 MB (8,0%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 4080,8 MB
GDI objects count: 690
USER objects count: 2519
Process handles count: 1885
Memory cache size: 4,0MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 13.0 [ 610 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 425MB / 8152MB (5%)
Camera Raw real memory: 522MB / 16304MB (3%)
System DPI setting: 120 DPI
Desktop composition enabled: Yes
Displays: 1) 1920x1080
Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No, External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:
DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (26.21.14.4223)

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: C:\Users\lucaa\OneDrive\Pictures\Lightroom\Lightroom Catalog-v10-2.lrcat
Settings Folder: C:\Users\lucaa\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) AdobeStock
2) Facebook
3) Flickr
4) Nikon Tether Plugin

ManiacJoe

Inspiring

Calibrating the monitor is always a good thing. Even doing it by eye-balling it for brightness and contrast will greatly help since most monitors are by default set WAY too high.

Otherwise, we need some screen shots so that we can see what you are seeing.

Per Berntsen

Community Expert

 setting the GPU on off, changing the monitor profile to RGB...

When Library and Develop don't match, it's almost always caused by a defective monitor profile, or by a bug in the GPU driver.

So did you set the monitor profile to sRGB?

Did you restart Lightroom after changing the monitor profile?

Are you on Mac or Windows?

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Soothing_Ripple5CF2Author

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I did change the monitor profile to sRGB and restarted lightroom, but nothing changed.

I'm on windows.

One thing that i'm thinking of, is that the app that i'm using could be a reason. When i use that to look at RAW files (ORF in my case) it changes the picture, in a very similar way of the one Lightroom does, even though it's not the same.

I don't think it's this the problem, but it was worth mentioning.

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