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Steve Zeeeee
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November 30, 2016
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upright vertical not at all

  • November 30, 2016
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I used develop>transform>upright>vertical on 164 pictures auto sync and about 3 were correct.

it took forever too so i left and came back and now i'no further ahead.

lr 1015.7

osx 10.11.6

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    Correct answer richardplondon

    I've got the same results Auto-syncing images with Upright.

    Whatever adjustment solution is reached by analysing the most-selected image, which delivers the requested Upright option using the content of that, gets also used on the other images as-is - without separately analysing each one, to determine its own dedicated adjustment.

    It's the same outcome, as clicking the Sync button at top right of the Transform panel / Upright tab (with multiple pictures selected). 'Works As Designed', I suppose!

    So the requested Upright selection is then active on them all, but not yet implemented correctly (except on the most-selected one). One can make it be so on any of these images, by clicking the Update button (with just this picture selected - Update appears instead of Sync). This tells LR to analyse and correct for this image's content.

    What seems to work better though - it's the way I do it now - is to save this selection of Upright mode into a Develop preset. I have one preset called "Upright Vertical", another called "Upright Level" etc.

    Auto-Syncing the application of that Preset, does cause an individual analysis to go ahead for each picture. Whatever is needed to make each SEPARATE picture become Vertical / Level / whatever has been asked for, in its own terms... then happens.

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    richardplondonCommunity Expert
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    December 15, 2016

    So in the final analysis, what is the efficient way to get each picture to upright transform

    based on each picture's own configuration. 

    My suggestion is, make a preset where you've checked Upright mode, but un-checked any specific transforms.

    That forces Lightroom to work out for each image, what transforms that individual image needs.

    Or you can Sync or Copy-Paste - making sure that you are only transferring the upright mode and NOT specific transforms.

    I did copy/paste, easy enough.  I dont see how

    to apply the preset I made tho.

    If you have AutoSync active, and click on this preset in the list to apply it to the main image, then it will also be applied to the other images.

    Further, upon inspecting the contextual menu, which I never

    used before, what about this:

    What does "new folder" create?  A folder of images with the preset applied?

    No, you can organise your presets into subfolders if you want.

    "apply on import":  isn't it a little too late to try to apply on import since all the images ARE imported at this point?

    You can set your Import procedure to include the application of a Develop preset (and a Metadata preset) if you want. But that will only affect future imports. It's just for convenience, if you know that all those images will need this preset to be applied by default. I don't think  that can be said, for Upright since there is wide variation as to which mode, if any, suits the photo.

    "Update with current settings" actually does not update the selection(s) with

    the current preset settings, it updates the settings belonging to "import" preset.

    Say you'd made a preset which applied certain settings. Then you applied the preset to a given picture and thought 'on reconsideration, it would be better if this preset applied different settings'. You'd change the picture to those different settings, then use this option to update the content of the preset - to redefine what the preset DOES. 

    "show in finder"  -  How do we show upright in finder??

    this means, show the PRESET in finder - it's a structured text file. You might want to copy it into another computer so that it could be used there.


    "export" what?  Export the preset?  This seems an odd place for the over all

    export feature.  Same with "import".  If I import from here, does that mean this

    particular preset is added to the import?

    This whole menu is all about managing your presets, and has nothing to do with managing your pictures.

    regards, RP

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    Steve ZeeeeeAuthor
    Inspiring
    December 16, 2016

    thank you for taking the time to make all these comments.

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    richardplondonCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
    Community Expert
    December 1, 2016

    I've got the same results Auto-syncing images with Upright.

    Whatever adjustment solution is reached by analysing the most-selected image, which delivers the requested Upright option using the content of that, gets also used on the other images as-is - without separately analysing each one, to determine its own dedicated adjustment.

    It's the same outcome, as clicking the Sync button at top right of the Transform panel / Upright tab (with multiple pictures selected). 'Works As Designed', I suppose!

    So the requested Upright selection is then active on them all, but not yet implemented correctly (except on the most-selected one). One can make it be so on any of these images, by clicking the Update button (with just this picture selected - Update appears instead of Sync). This tells LR to analyse and correct for this image's content.

    What seems to work better though - it's the way I do it now - is to save this selection of Upright mode into a Develop preset. I have one preset called "Upright Vertical", another called "Upright Level" etc.

    Auto-Syncing the application of that Preset, does cause an individual analysis to go ahead for each picture. Whatever is needed to make each SEPARATE picture become Vertical / Level / whatever has been asked for, in its own terms... then happens.

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    December 1, 2016

    As you observed, Auto Sync copies the Upright Mode (Auto, Guided, Level, Vertical, Full) and the actual upright transform settings to all the other pics.  

    But if you instead do a Sync Settings, or do Copy Settings / Paste Settings, of just Upright Mode:

    then LR will recalculate the upright transforms for each photo.

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    December 1, 2016

    Yes, I wondered about Sync and Paste too. I didn't follow those up, because the OP particularly wanted to know about AutoSync.

    Using AutoSync to work on a highlighted set of pictures: turning on an Upright mode in Transform gives the first outcome you describe.

    Turning on the exact same Upright mode by using a preset instead - again with AutoSync - gives the second outcome.

    I haven't worked out why...!


    Turning on the exact same Upright mode by using a preset instead - again with AutoSync - gives the second outcome.

    It depends on how you define the preset.  If you select just Upright Mode:

    then the preset will contain just the choice of Off, Auto, Guided, Level, Vertical, and Full.  The contents of the preset will look like:

    When you apply the preset, it will recalculate the actual upright transformations.

    But if also select Upright Transforms when you define the preset, then the calculated transformations for the current photo will also be included in the preset:

    When you apply this preset, those transformations (calculated from the original photo) will be applied to the current photo, and the "Update" button will be displayed in the Transform panel to let you recalculate them based on the current image if you want.

    At first I found this confusing, but it makes logical sense. The manual describes the behavior, though it's a little out-of-date: Upright automatic perspective correction in Lightroom

    JP Hess
    JP Hess
    Inspiring
    November 30, 2016

    Tell us a little more about your computer. How much RAM? How much free disk space?

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    Steve ZeeeeeAuthor
    Inspiring
    December 1, 2016

    thank you Jim.

    plus a software raid scratch disk 420 GB.

    No tight disks.

    JP Hess
    JP Hess
    Inspiring
    December 1, 2016

    I don't know anything about the Mac. My only suggestion would be to disable the GPU processor in Lightroom preferences and see if that makes a difference. Sorry, maybe someone else will have a better idea.

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