P: AI Sharpening

[Kevin31379336805d]

It would be great to see some AI features that some Adobe competitors have started to adopt. I would love to see and AI Sharpening tool similar to the AI Denoise. Also, given that Lightroom Classic is such a great organizational tool, I would also love to see an AI Culling feature where the program could analyze and sort by features such as pictures being in focus, with the best exposure, and whether a subject's eyes are closed. Competitors such as "Aftershoot" are beginning to incorporate such features into their products. I'd rather be able to get it all in one place.

[johnrellis]

LR already provides Enhance > Raw Details, which is included in Denoise. It's an AI algorithm that "produces crisp detail, improved color rendering, more accurate renditions of edges, and fewer artifacts. Raw Details is especially useful for making large prints, where fine details are more visible."

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/enhance-details.html

It would be good to see a comparison of Raw Details and the AI sharpening of competitors to which you referred.  Perhaps you could provide some screenshots showing the differences?

[johnrellis]

"I would also love to see an AI Culling feature where the program could analyze and sort by features such as pictures being in focus, with the best exposure, and whether a subject's eyes are closed."

Please add your vote and constructive opinion to this existing Idea:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-ai-culling/idi-p/13738692 

[Kevin31379336805d]

Done! Thanks for directing me there.

[tomf35092362]

what would be very useful in camera raw is ai sharpen.

i do a lot of sport action photos and it would speed up my workflow if i could do ai sharpening in camera raw

[seb.lebreton]

Hi, AI remove/generate is pretty usefull, and I find it strange that LR hasn't added an AI unblur/sharpen tool yet.

2 use cases for me are selfies (front facing phone cameras are usually not very good in low light) and video calls screenshots where my family  member faces are soft/pixelated). Of course it could also help save some images where focus was missed, but it wouldn't be my first need.

In both cases, I can improve it a bit with the google photo app directly on my samsung phone, but you have to do it on the phone before moving pictures to LR, and you don't have much control over it (sometimes it does a good job on a face, but messes up something else in the frame)

I also tried Topaz with mixed results, it was very good on some images (better than the google unblur tool), but not so much on others, and the workflow (sending image to topaz and back to LR) is not very user friendly.

Hope that this can be added soon, that would be a great tool to improve/save some images.

[seb.lebreton]

Hi my post has been merged as a comment here but I don't think it's the exact same topic, as the author is talking about Denoise and I'm requesting an "unblur" / "fix focus" tool, similair to what is available on the google photo app or Topaz Sharpen AI.

Also, the Enhance denoise works pretty well on RAW pictures but is not available for jpegs yet, and most images for which I would like to be able to improve focus are either jpegs or screenshot from video calls on my phone.

Not sure how to tag Rikk Flohr who moved my post as he hasn't talked here. @johnrellis do you know if I have a way to reach him to double check if my message can and should be moved back as a separate post ?

[seb.lebreton]

Nevrermind, I read again the post and OP is actually requesting AI sharpening too (only says similair to denoise) so I guess I'm in the right place.

[.random..]

While AI masking and Denoise are excellent, Lightroom desperately needs a dedicated AI-powered sharpening tool.

• Ideally:

  • Edge-aware, artifact-minimizing

  • Seamlessly works after Super Resolution and AI Denoise

  • Selective sharpening via masks (e.g. eyes only)

  • Sharpening is still the weakest link in the develop pipeline and deserves focused innovation.

[JBedfordPhoto]

Sharpening has arguably been one of LRC (ACR) 's most tedious adjustments. The default for 1.0px, 40%, no masking, and the "amount" tool, which seems, literally, to do nothing (I've never seen this adjustment make any difference to any photo) is outdated and doesn't neatly apply to the extremely varied subject matter, camera resolutions, and ISO users populate their catalogs with.

It's time for LRC to have intelligent (on the graphics driver, not AI, necessarily) sharpening based on the parameters highlighted above. This would be very useful to have, especially for those of us who oscillate between landscape, detail, and portrait photography, often. 

[AxelMatt]

... The default for 1.0px, 40%, no masking, and the "amount" tool, which seems, literally, to do nothing...

By @JBedfordPhoto

These specifications are only intended as preliminary sharpening. In my opinion, adjusting them makes no sense, because the actual sharpening must be individually adjusted as the final step after processing.

I don't see any sense to change these settings. If somebody needs other settings there are the possibility to work with presets.

[Per Berntsen]

I agree with @AxelMatt . The sharpening in the Develop module is capture sharpening, designed to compensate for softness in the digital capture. In my opinion, it does an excellent job.

Capture sharpening should be followed by output sharpening, which should be done after any resizing, and should be tailored to the purpose of the output (screen or print).

The output sharpening provided in the LrC export dialog does a very good job sharpening for screen, but the sharpening for print tends to create artifacts. I use Topaz for print sharpening, which does use AI.

So what I'd like to see in LrC is AI output sharpening, and with a preview.

@JBedfordPhoto 

If you're not seeing any difference when moving the Amount slider, I suspect that you're not viewing the image at 100%.

Sharpness (as well as noise and and other image detail) must be judged at 100% view, where on image pixel is displayed using one screen pixel. Any other view will be inaccurate and misleading because the image has been scaled.

If you have a high resolution monitor, you may need to view at 200%, because the pixels are so small.

[Ross Dillon]

I've sending my $$ to Topaz because their sharpening tool is brilliant.  Send a raw file over and it decides what the best mode is (motion blur, out-of-focus-blur, etc) and the appropriate sharpening strength should be...all you ahve to do is accept it.  If you want to change the strength, it's ONE slider.  For the life of me I can't  ever seem to use the Lightroom Classic 4x sliders, there's too many options and I haven't found a good video that explains with examples what each slider does and when to apply them (or how much).

So my question is, when will Adobe add an AI sharpening tool in LrC/ACR.  Life would be so much easier...