P: Decouple Tint & Temperature Sliders in Auto Sync/Sync/Copy & Paste workflows

[owen-b]

Lightroom Classic 12.4 / Camera Raw 15.4

Just imported a dozen Fuji X-T5 raw files. White balance and tint value is slightly different for all of them as they were shot in 'Auto WB' on the camera.

Wanted to adjust the tint value on all images but retain their existing WB value.

Selected all, made sure Auto Sync was on in Develop mode, and moved the Tint value to 5. 

Expected result: all selected images should now have a Tint value of 5, while retaining their original WB value.

Actual result: the WB and the Tint value for the main image was applied to all selected images, even though I had not adjusted WB at all.

Did an Undo, went through all images to confirm they all had different WB and tint values. Selected a different image. Did a Select All, Auto Sync on. This time I set the WB value for my main image.

Expected result: all selected images should now have the same WB as the main image, but their Tint values should be unchanged.

Actual result: again, the adjusted WB and unadjusted Tint values for this image were applied to ALL selected images.

Have recreated the issue with every shoot currently waiting to be edited. This is a relatively new issue as I'm used to being able to adjust these values independently of each other across Auto Synced images.

[DdeGannes]

Ok will check on my system when I return home.

Will also check the Copy/ Paste- Sync option.

[DdeGannes]

@johnrellis , I arrived home yesterday. I have checked on my system, LrC 12.4 and macOS Big Sur and can confirm I experience the same result.

[DdeGannes]

Yesterday I confirmed that I am experiencing the same issues with Auto-Sync of the white balance changes in LrC 12.4. However, I subsequently decided to do more tests with the Auto-Sync of other basic edits with LrC 12.4.

My expectation for the Auto-Sync feature with multiple images selected and the Auto-Sync activated each and every edit applied to the most selected image gets applied to the other selected images. The edits are specific so if you add +10  to the exposure, if the exposure for the most selected image was +5 it would increase to +65, if the exposure of one of the other selected images was -35 it would be increased to -25.

What happens in LrC 12.4 is that it is copying the resultant exposure of +65 from the most selected image. 

Some irrelevant info was deleted, Denis.

This information is not correct see the response from Johan below.

Images deleted no longer relevant.

[JohanElzenga]

"My expectation for the Auto-Sync feature with multiple images selected and the Auto-Sync activated each and every edit applied to the most selected image gets applied to the other selected images. The edits are specific so if you add +10  to the exposure, if the exposure for the most selected image was +5 it would increase to +65, if the exposure of one of the other selected images was -35 it would be increased to -25."

Your expectation is incorrect. Syncing syncs absolute values, not relative changes. Auto Sync does the same. If you change the Exposure of the active image to +65, then all selected images will get an Exposure of +65, regardless of what their initial Exposure setting was. You can only make relative changes with the buttons of the Quick Develop panel.

[DdeGannes]

Thanks for the info Johan, I can't understand how I got those two features confused in my mind.

[Kat Braman]

Please add a feature to allow Temperature and Tint to be synced independently of each other rather than White Balance as a whole.  They are separate sliders, so they should be able to be synced separately.

[mattjfx]

+1 for decoupling Temp and Tint sliders for batch adjustments.

I need to adjust the Tint on thousands of photos to correct Sony's slight green Tint (personal preference), but I do not want Lightroom Classic to also change the Temp to the selected photo as I have already set the Temp while shooting. It's a shame that this used to work fine on older versions of Lightroom Classic (there is another post where someone has tested multiple versions for this reason), but I love the new features and don't want to roll back. If for whatever reason this is a designed behaviour in Auto-Sync, at least give us the option to decouple Temp and Tint and have different checkboxes for each when copying the develop settings to multiple photos/creating a preset. This costs me so, so many hours of work. Thanks!

[janv41475730]

Hi, when I am in Lightroom Classic develop mode and want to sync a few images to the same color temperature or color tint I can only sync both. The only option I see is 'white balance' and that option syncs both temperature and tint. Is there a way to sync only the color tint or color temperature?

Hoping you can help me here,
Thanks!

[JohanElzenga]

No, there is not. Sync (and also copy/paste) is always both.

[janv41475730]

Thank you Johan! Maybe it will come in a future FW update.

[richardplondon]

AutoSync can apply any edit directly onto several highlighted images. Move that one slider and you are already done.

No restrictive checkboxes, and more direct, than first editing one image then syncing this to others.

[mattjfx]

@richardplondon not helpful to this discussion's topic; changing the temp or tint via AutoSync also changes the other on all selected images to the previewed image as discussed - a significant hindrance with large workloads.

[richardplondon]

If you activate AutoSync, with several images highlighted, and then manually update just the Tint slider: this action does not touch the Temp slider on any of the images concerned.

AutoSync only concerns itself with whatever specific action you now do on the active image. Of course if that action is to click Auto for WB or use the WB eyedropper, those tools always work by reconsidering both Temp and Tint: and that must extend to other images receiving this same new edit, whichever means you use.

If you prefer using Sync (or Copy/Paste) rather than AutoSync that's entirely for you: noting, one way couples WB Temp and Tint together, the other way does not.

[mattjfx]

@richardplondon following your instructions on using Auto Sync, as I and others have attempted in the past in this forum and others, does not result in the action you have described - upon adjusting only tint, the temp of all selected images will indeed also change to the same as whichever image is previewed at the time. And vice-versa with temp/tint. Auto WB and eye dropper have not been touched. It seems they are certainly coupled in all batch operations, as the Adobe employee and other experts have confirmed. Looking forward to potentially having the ability to decouple them in a future update!

[richardplondon]

I apologise and stand corrected on this functional linking of the two parameters by AutoSync. Clearly I was misremembering.

Perhaps what I recall using to separately tweak Tint without affecting varying Temp, was Quick Develop. That method does still work - as you may know, it applies relatively not absolutely so in this case it also respects prior varying tint values. Probably a develop preset could be pruned down in text editor, if you just wanted to force Tint to become the same across a number of images while leaving Temp varying.

As always, further options exist such as Grading, Tone Curve, Calibration panel - and Masked adjustment - all allowing a common batch appearance change to be imposed without in doing so forcing any of the images' currently varying Basic panel parameters to any common value.

[JohanElzenga]

Probably a develop preset could be pruned down in text editor, if you just wanted to force Tint to become the same across a number of images while leaving Temp varying.

Unfortunately that is also not possible. It used to be possible when develop presets were still of the .lrtemplate type, but since they changed to .xmp that fails.

[richardplondon]

thanks for the explanation on presets, seem Adobe is insistent that WB is one entity not two. Personally I do tend to treat it so: any correction of WB in my own practice more or less guarantees both numbers must reconsider together.

Tint slider does offer hue-shifting of sorts, but there are many other ways to achieve substantially that same effect which are not tied up with WB per se.

[skyrunr]

I now have created at least 10 presets troubleshooting this issue, and spent over an hour on it testing. 

Each preset was saved with White Balance unchanged and Tint +17.  Randomly when I switch between them, white balance will change to a specific setting.  When it happens I reset WB to AS SHOT, change tint to +17, and create a new preset. (Update current settings should also work in theory, but isn't recommended accroding to the help assistant, so Adobe recognizes that it is glitchy!)  I use the same appraoch with forcing len sprofiles (adapted lenses) and cropping, and it is much trickier than it should be and super frustrating!

I think the fix is for Adobe to separate White Balance and Tint checkboxes.  However, I may have some custom white balance settings applied to an image, and may not want the "unchanged" value, but what I had previously set.  I could see having additional checkboxes for a develop preset to copy-paste / ignore / or reset (default) a value.

[skyrunr]

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