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April 23, 2019
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Dangers of limited SSD longevity for heavy Lr users?

  • April 23, 2019
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Hi everyone!  I have a question about SSD's with Lr, specifically the risks of limited SSD longevity for pros.  Would love to hear people's thoughts!

I'm a pro wedding photographer, and shoot roughly 1-1.5 TB of images/year.  My current desktop (a souped-up Dell XPS) is an amazing 9 years old now(!!!) and has been a workhorse but is finally starting to glitch out and crash with increasing frequency, not to mention slow to the point of increasing frustration.  So I'm in the process of specing out and buying a new desktop, and considering various HD configurations.  And as you can tell from my current system, I like taking care of my things and having them last a long while!

I know I want an SSD for a boot/OS drive, at least.  And I suppose it would be nice to have most applications including Lr on an SSD (although I've read some articles that say overall Lr performance isn't affected that much on SSD vs HDD...?)  Please note:  I'm NOT overly concerned with Lr performance for generating 1:1 previews or exporting (I gladly invite the opportunity to take a break from my computer and go do something else during those actions), but I AM overly concerned with performance while actually working/editing in Development (I tend to do lots of 1:1 zooming in, spot removal, & adjustment brushing, all of which crush my poor little old system...)  And yes, I realize any modestly robust new system is going to be night-and-day faster than my old one! 

But my main question is:  With all the data writing that goes into (1) saving tens of thousands of raw files, and (2) working in Lr, am I in danger of butting up against the limited write cycle that SSDs have...? 

The couple systems I've narrowed it down to have multiple drives:

   - System #1 has one big SSD... and one or two large HDDs.

   - System #2 has TWO SSDs... and one or two large HDDs.

The theory with the system #2 is: put OS & most applications on the 1st SSD, but put Lr on the 2nd SSD.  That way if I crash the 2nd SSD a few years down the road from overuse, and least my boot drive is unaffected, and I'm only mildly inconvenienced.  On system #1 with 1 SSD, if Lr beats it up and it fails I'm much more inconvenienced, having lost my boot drive.  (And yes, I back up regularly, and may even institute a system to back up my entire boot drive on occasion, but still... it's more inconvenience.)

So System #2 is more attractive as far as HDs go.  But here's the catch... HDs aside, I prefer some other factors/components of System #1 more.

SO...

Q1:  Again, I wonder how "risky" it is for a pro photographer to put all his eggs in one SSD basket.  Or am I'm worrying about it too much, and will likely never cross the write cycle limit of the SSD in the 5-8 years that I might own the computer??  Some articles I've read say you'll basically never cross it.

Q2:  If I institute a system to backup everything including boot drive occasionally, is the whole point moot and I should just go with the system that I otherwise prefer (#1), and work simply with everything off one big SSD?  Not to mention there are applications that monitor the SSD health and I suppose you could pro-actively copy & replace the drive as it gets worn out, but before it completely dies...

Q3:  Also, does it make the most sense to save my raw images onto the internal HDD, so at least I'm not beating up the SSDs with all that data?

What do you think??  Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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    Tony_See
    Inspiring
    April 24, 2019

    I don't have so much to offer technically as it has nearly all been said above.

    I'm still a believer in a local RAID format drive or partition set or even better in off-site Cloud storage if your www speeds are fast enough.

    Here in Australia many of us are just coming up to NBN connections with improved speeds (from in my case 5Mbs ADSL to 100Mbs coaxial.

    Thats getting close to be comfortable for backup security at decent speeds . . .

    Conrad_C
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 24, 2019

    SSDs do have a write limit, but as you're already doing, it's important to put that into perspective:

    • Are you writing the volume of data that would run you right up to the limit? The articles I've seen talk about a cheap consumer SSD starting to fail after 300TB of writes. Is it likely that your work in Lightroom will write 300TB of temp files over, for example, a 5-year period? 300TB is equal to 5 TB per month. If your drive stats say you're not close to approaching that write volume, the write limit shouldn't be a concern because in the study I read, 300TB was for the worst performer, which was already well past its advertised limit. Every other drive lasted even longer.
    • How often have you replaced drives in the past? For example, if there's a strong chance you're going to replace the SSD in less than 5 years (for more capacity, to upgrade to NVMe speed, etc.), then it's very unlikely that the write limit is going to get you before you decide it's time to put in a new drive anyway.
    • In the unlikely event that you do hit the SSD limit (and it won't be for several years), what's the worst that can happen? A 1TB SSD is under $100 today, so the cost is not a major negative consequence, especially since that price only keeps dropping. Data loss should not be a problem if you're keeping backups.
    • Is the SSD write limit the biggest problem here? Probably not. If you were to use a hard drive instead, now you're placing bets on which end of the reliability bell curve the mechanical hard drive will fall. In other words, it's not just a question of whether the SSD will hit a write limit. It's comparing the risk of SSD write limit failure to the chance an SSD will die due to another possible failure mode (heat-induced failure, manufacturing defect, power surge…) and to the expected reliability of a hard drive. Out of all those modes, SSD write limit is one of the least likely.
    • Both SSDs and hard drives can fail at any time, so either way, the mantra is backups, backups, backups. As long as you keep to a rigorous backup routine, your eggs are not in one basket, and you don't need to worry about the failure of any individual drive. You should be prepared (backed up) for such a failure at all times, especially when running a business.
    • Lightroom read/write volumes are probably nothing compared to what's written during, for example, HD video editing. But an SSD is standard in video editing configurations now because hard drives are just too slow for 4K+ editing and caching.

    As long as it's easy and quick to replace the SSD in your next computer, and as long as you're keeping good backups, the SSD write limit risk is probably not significant. There are too many other reasons that you'd replace the SSD or hard drive before the SSD write limit becomes a factor.

    DeMariaPhotography  wrote

    But my main question is:  With all the data writing that goes into (1) saving tens of thousands of raw files, and (2) working in Lr,

    When you transfer thousands of raw files from camera card to computer, the nice thing is that each raw file only requires one write to store it. After that, nondestructive raw editors like Lightroom will not write to that file again. When you "edit" that raw file, what happens is that Lightroom makes a tiny update inside its database, which might only a few GB in total. The image file does get completely written out again at export, but if it's a JPEG, that's just a couple MB per file.

    The major write volumes by Lightroom would be:

    • The previews file
    • The video cache
    • The database (during automatic backups)

    By file size, video editing might involve a larger volume of writes. But as far as the number of writes, the biggest offenders might just be the OS itself. It's constantly updating its virtual memory swap file and caches. (The cache folder on my system is over 15GB.) Either probably writes a lot more than Lightroom during the course of a day.

    D Fosse
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 24, 2019

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Conrad+C  wrote

    Both SSDs and hard drives can fail at any time, so either way, the mantra is backups, backups, backups.

    That sums everything up IMO, the rest is commentary (as the saying goes). Two or three copies of every file, one of them preferably off-site. Not including OS and apps, which can easily be reinstalled.

    BTW I've never seen a drive fail, ever, honest to god. Never. And I use a lot of them. The simple reason is that they get replaced at regular intervals, as space requirements grow, and technology improves.

    But that doesn't mean I'm not well prepared for when it does happen, as I'm sure it will sooner or later.

    Rob_Cullen
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 24, 2019

    Both SSDs and hard drives can fail at any time,

    Out of interest-

    My SSD has failed. I pick up my restored desktop computer later this week. (on a laptop at present)

    So, yes, drives can fail at any time. As I recently stressed to my Photo Club friends.

    My Windows-pc -new in January 2018, had a 500GB Samsung SSD as the C: drive with operating system and all installed software. It will be replaced under warranty.

    Thankfully all my data (documents, photos, Lr catalog, & appdata, etc) is on a 4TB spin drive without problems, and I have backups as well.

    Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .