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This post applies to the Project Indigo iOS camera app.
Adobe Labs is excited to share an early look at Project Indigo, an iPhone camera app we've started to develop, to get feedback from the photography community. The app offers full manual controls, a more natural ("SLR-like") look, and high image quality in both JPEG and raw formats. It also introduces some new photographic experiences not available in other camera apps. For more information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Project Indigo blog post.
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Sending feedback
Please try the app and share feedback in this community forum thread. If you report a problem you encountered, it would help to include details like which device you are running Project Indigo on, what kind of scene you were trying to capture, what you were trying to achieve with the camera, and as much information as possible about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues and improve future experiences.
To improve the performance and results of Project Indigo, it is important that examples of images that do not meet your expectations are forwarded to the team via your report. A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on the Project Indigo camera!
Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, NextCam
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Hello Jean-Michel - thank you for trying Indigo and for reaching out. Getting the DNG is a bit involved as iOS natively prioritizes JPEGs. You can find very nice instructions for how to get the DNG here: https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-reviews/project-indigo-the-best-camera-app-for-smart-pho...
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My previous post on this got hijacked. Let me try again:
Just downloaded and trying to understand PI. The FAQ Adobe provides is extremely sparce and there's little info on-line that I can find (a couple of not-too-great videos is all so far). So two really basic questions in case anyone knows the answers (using iPhone 16 Pro Max):
1) why do all my photos no matter what and I how I shoot them always show a red "HDR" with a white bar though it at the top ? This shows no matter how I have my display brightness or anything else set.
2) the round circle at the bottom left is supposed to show the numbe of photos being processed according to the live "tip" but it's never anything but "1". Why is it always only "1".
3) sometimes there is a round icon at the top left with a camrea in it and a partial white or red circle around it. Does anyone know what that means ?
Thanks ! Russ
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Hi Russ - thank you for trying Indigo and for reaching out on the forum. I'll try to answer your questions here:
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Do know if the other post works...
Hello, I've noticed the red HDR and wondered what it was. Today I thought about something, I usually have the"Reduce White Point" turned off because I enjoy that view but today I turned it off and the red HDR was gone and when viewing HDR images I now see them in full HDR! So happy! HDR images here we go!!
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Forgot, I use a iPhone 16 Pro Max
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Feature request: Add an on/off toggle for the "Zero Shutter Lag" feature in "Photo Mode." Should save some battery power; constant pre-focusing Is not needed for static scenes.
Reference the "Pre-AF" function in Sony Alpha 7/9 Series cameras.
Thanks and keep up the great work.
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Hello - thank you for trying Indigo and for your suggestion. We will consider your feature request for a future version of the app.
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I'm definitely backing this!
...and while we're talking about “Zero Shutter Lag”: please makes it possible to optionally save a (configurable) amount of images that were taken BEFORE the shutter is pressed. Analogous to the Pre-Capture mode of many SLRs.
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Can you elaborate more on the request for save a (configurable) amount of pre-shutter images? Since Indigo captures a burst of raw frames and combines them to produce a single high quality computational raw frame, it is not clear what you envision gets saved in this instance.
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Yes, of course. One of my main cameras is an Olympus E-M1 II with the Pre Capture feature.
This is basically the exact opposite of what "zero shutter lag" is supposed to achieve. I don't want to have the exact frame at which I trigger the shutter with a delay via the display, because then the situation in question is already over. An example: I want to photograph a bee when it has left the flower and is in flight.
At the moment I release the shutter, the bee is usually no longer visible or at best still at the edge of the image in the crop. I would therefore like to set the camera to store a certain number of images from the ring buffer at the moment I press the shutter, so that I can then select the optimum moment in the past. It’s basically similar to the live photos feature.
But it would be nice if
(a) unlike with live photos, you could configure this number of frames (and therefore also the time period) and
(b) there would also be the option of getting these images as DNGs.
That might be (too) much to ask, but who knows what you are capable of.
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iPhone live mode doesn't save the full 3 seconds as RAW
What you want is full quality saving of single frames for 1 or 2 seconds?!
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Yh I know about live mode limitations. That's why I asked for (b) in my post above.
And yes, that's exactly what I am hoping for. If need be, I could live with JPGs or HEIC, but RAWs would be a dream.
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Yes, of course. One of my main cameras is an Olympus E-M1 II with the Pre Capture feature.
This is basically the exact opposite of what "zero shutter lag" is supposed to achieve. I don't want to have the exact frame at which I trigger the shutter with a delay via the display, because then the situation in question is already over. An example: I want to photograph a bee when it has left the flower and is in flight.
At the moment I release the shutter, the bee is usually no longer visible or at best still at the edge of the image in the crop. I would therefore like to set the camera to store a certain number of images from the ring buffer at the moment I press the shutter, so that I can then select the optimum moment in the past. It’s basically similar to the live photos feature.
But it would be nice if
(a) unlike with live photos, you could configure this number of frames (and therefore also the time period) and
(b) there would also be the option of getting these images as DNGs.
That might be (too) much to ask, but who knows what you are capable of.
By @photopoeth
Thank you for clarifying the ask. To clarify something from our end - when you tap on the shutter button, you do not get the frame that you see in the viewfinder: you get the raw frame that is nearest to the time you pressed the shutter. As you point out, the video stream and raw captures are not synchronized, and video stream is delayed because it needs to go through Apple's image processing pipeline. That pipeline is HW-accelerated, but still, some delay is incurred. So, when you try to capture a precise moment, you should focus on when that moment is happening more than what you see on the screen.
Regarding the second question, saving single-frame raw images as DNGs without any processing is possible and likely not too costly on the compute resources, but they would be single-frame raws, so all the benefits of computational photography (lowered noise, better dynamic range, etc.) would be negated (frontend box in the below diagram). Furthermore, for either raw of JPEG images, if you also want to have the Indigo look applied (green box in the below diagram), that requires compute resources so it would incur time and processing power penalty. JPEGs would also need the backend appearance processing, adding even more delay per image. And likely consequence of adding these progressively more costly options is that after capturing such a "burst", you'd have an increasingly longer timeout period during which you cannot capture more frames, with that timeout period heavily depending on which device you are using and what its thermal state is.
All of this to say that, many things are possible, but we'd need to zero in on the exact use-case and tradeoff as nothing in life is for free. 🙂
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@BorisTheBladethank you for the diagram! This is exactly what I was trying to illustrate to you when I mentioned that raw dng should not have anything on it except the x amount of frames stacked for NR, align and merge then wrapped in the dng container with no post processing ltm applied or any luts applied.
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@BorisTheBladethank you for the diagram! This is exactly what I was trying to illustrate to you when I mentioned that raw dng should not have anything on it except the x amount of frames stacked for NR, align and merge then wrapped in the dng container with no post processing ltm applied or any luts applied.
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The DNG doesn't have any of those applied to the raw data itself - they are added as metadata and the DNG renderer can (and should) at render time apply them to create the look. But they can also be simply disabled and then you would only see the data from align&merge algorithm.
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I adore the app - shots with it are more vibrant, clearer, nicer contrast and the out of focus areas are far less distracting. Indigo shots feel better to me.
However I'm pretty sure there is a problem with focusing. Particularly at distances close to minimum I've really struggled to get the plane of focus. One example I used the 5x lens on stock camera - focused no problem. The 5x on Indigo didn't focus and couldn't even get close on manual - it was as if the two apps were using different lenses with different capabilities.
So - autofocus seems inaccurate on most lenses.
At close range, it can even lack the ability to focus at lengths the stock app manages.
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Hello Jon - thank you for trying out Indigo and for providing feedback. Regarding focusing, the native camera app always runs what they call a "fusion camera", i.e., all 3 cameras are active at all times. That way, if they detect that the minimum focus distance for a lens is too long, they automatically switch the lens under the hood. A simple way to test that is to do the following: change the lens to 5x, move close to your target object (say, to 30cm/1ft), capture a photo, then in Apple Photos inspect the image metadata. It should say "Fusion camera" and right next to it it will say 24mm for focal length (i.e., the 1x lens), while below the focal length will be displayed as 120mm (i.e., the 5x lens). The camera used 1x lens and cropped it to match the 5x FOV without informing the user at capture time.
Indigo can only run one camera at the time, so we cannot do this kind of switching seamlessly, which is why we suggest Macro mode to users once we detect that the subject is too close.
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Good morning. Very optimistic having gone thru my first attempts using Indigo. Problem I'm having. I do see DNG+RAW in the upper left hand corner of the screen. BUT, I don't see any way to access the raw file. Everything I shoot is a jpg only?
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Has been asked and answered already many times. Adobe is currently working on a solution to make dng only available.
For the moment, read this article with many more infos about Indigo and it also describes a workaround:
https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-reviews/project-indigo-the-best-camera-app-for-smart-pho...
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I've done virtually everything to see if Indigo is REALLY that good and each experience comes back with a resounding YES, it IS that good! Bird photography has eluded me for years. Taken today with Indigo at 10X on a 16 pro max. I'm done testing.
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Photo 1 using iPhone 16 Pro native Camera app @ 5 X, cropped in Photos to the same size (roughly) as ...
Photo 2 using Indigo @ 10X.
The differences are obvious, with the native app giving more accurate colour rendition, but less dynamic range.
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Thank you for reporting your findings. I have a question though: why did you decide to capture at 5x with the native camera and 10x with Indigo? If you use 10x for both cameras, how do the results compare then? Also, if you don't mind sharing which capture mode you used in Indigo (Photo or Night), and whether you had any Pro Controls active or was it in full auto mode?
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My guess is that maybe he thinks that 5x native is optical will give him better details vs apple's digital crop could do some processing, to do versus indigo's 10x SR. Either way far superior with Indigo's SR.
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Hi! Is this normal in night photography? If it's not is there a work around? It's my first time using the app to take photos at night time
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