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@BorisTheBlade these samples behaves similar to the 10x SR I showed before while I was shopping at Costco, it was bright indoors condition then vs the night time condition here. Although digital zoom should not be stacking the same algorithm as the SR so it might be a completely different issue? At the mentioned ss 1/800s and high iso, unless the luma levels programmed into Indigo trips wrongly into reducing noise and blurs the face weirdly, that ss should be fast enough to not have motion blur issues for the faces. The high iso and high shutter speed should just have evenly fine grains right, like if you would take on dslr albeit it's 1 frame?
Is it possible to have Indigo to also have a one frame in both jpeg and raw option in the manual section to eliminate any of this motion issue, similar to how Halide does their Process Zero?
By @nhan_8084
One can always choose to capture a single frame in Pro Controls. In some situations that can really show just how bad these small sensors can be, especially in low light. It's not a coincidence that Halide recommends their "Process Zero" for well illuminated scenes - that is because in low light it would just mostly look poor. Having said that, we will be working on ways to make scenes like this better, or at least finding ways to give easier control to the user to pick how they want their images processed. This will likely require a lot of UX experimentation on our side so it may take us some time to ship something we are happy with.
It looks like the forum's built-in preview only loads the SDR base, but if you download the JPGs, the HDR gainmaps are embedded.
By @nnhuy
Thank you for sharing these examples. It is on our radar to improve the SDR look (we have focused more on HDR as that is the default experience), and I will pass this information along to the team to consider when doing so.
I think the SDR base's color saturation should more closely match the HDR grade's saturation. Attached are two photos I took where the SDR desaturation (or rather, saturation difference) felt egregious. Look at the sky and the brown-red buildings in each.
By @nnhuy
Can you elaborate how exactly these photos were made and saved on your computer before you shared them on the forum? Did you do any work in Camera Raw Lightroom to import/export them?
Can you elaborate how exactly these photos were made and saved on your computer before you shared them on the forum? Did you do any work in Camera Raw Lightroom to import/export them?
By @BorisTheBlade
No work in Lightroom. The JPGs were obtained either via Airdrop (with "All Photo Data" activated under the Options submenu before airdropping) unto Mac or via a personal app I have to duplicate the representation .jpg/.heif from RAW/ProRAW assets on iOS (via NSItemProvider loadFileRepresentation). I freely use both, so I don't recall which method was done here.
Can you elaborate how exactly these photos were made and saved on your computer before you shared them on the forum? Did you do any work in Camera Raw Lightroom to import/export them?
By @BorisTheBladeNo work in Lightroom. The JPGs were obtained either via Airdrop (with "All Photo Data" activated under the Options submenu before airdropping) unto Mac or via a personal app I have to duplicate the representation .jpg/.heif from RAW/ProRAW assets on iOS (via NSItemProvider loadFileRepresentation). I freely use both, so I don't recall which method was done here.
By @nnhuy
Thanks. The metadata is stripped from the files so we cannot inspect them properly. I would recommend to use AirDrop and share the images again. This forum may also strip JPEG metadata, in which case uploading them to a file sharing service may be the only way to get the correct files over to us for triage.
JPEG photos synced by Microsoft OneDrive are given the file extension .heic. The data in the files are still the same and doing a checksum comparison with the same photos synced by iCloud confirms this.
By @chubby_puppy
Thank you for sharing. That is some OneDrive weirdness... we'll try it out but it would be on Microsoft to fix this issue.
Apparently according to the user in this post, Photoshop Elements 2025 with Camera Raw installed will not open the dng files from Project Indigo.
My first thought is HDR in Project Indigo was used and that's the reason, but still waiting for user response.
By @Jeff Arola
Thank you Jeff for alerting me to this - I am following up with the Elements team.
I have a question about indigo please. I've been using this on an iPhone 16 and results on the phone are so good I've started to use it as my default camera but have now come up against a problem which I can't resolve. When I transfer the dng file to my Mac and do some further processing the dng file looks as I want it. But when I export this file into tif and jpg formats the quality deteriorates enormously and the file is no longer useable. This may have been dealt with before but I can't resolve this and will have to revert to using the iPhone camera instead. I've tried changing the colour space to all other options but nothing works. Any solutions?
By @David33480628bb2n
Hi David - thanks for reaching out. I will need some more information in order to be able to help:
- Which software are you using for editing DNGs?
- What kind of TIFF/JPEG are you trying to export (SDR, HDR)?
- What kind of monitor are you editing and viewing these files to verify they work well or not?
Thank you for the quick reply. Answer as follows:
- I'm using the latest version of Lightroom Classic
- I've tried exporting as SDR and HDR and using all available colour spaces but the result is always the same
- I'm using a MacBook Pro with a built in Liquid Retina XDR display
I'm attaching an example of a file as I see it on the phone with vibrant colours and the exported version - hopefully this allows you to see the difference
thank you
For clarity the first photo is the processed and exported version and the second is the version from my phone.
By @David33480628bb2n
Thank you, David. From what I can tell the phone photo is HDR and the processed one isn't (white house with the red door is clipping in the exported version). Can you confirm that was your intent with this pair of images? Perhaps one thing you can try is to long press in the Indigo filmstrip to view how Indigo renders SDR version of the image (or disable 'HDR" in Lightroom Classic; that should render using the SDR profile embedded in the DNG) and see if that matches what you get at export time more closely. Color- and tone-wise, make sure that the profile didn't change. It should be Project Indigo, and there is a workflow issue in Camera Raw and Lightroom at the moment where, if you change the profile, you cannot bring it back up from the Profiles menu (that should get fixed some time soon). So if you are not seeing Indigo profile, reset the image to import state and try editing on top of the profile. Finally, one additional workflow issue to be aware of is that Camera Raw and Lightroom do not yet have a good mechanism for editing SDR+HDR combo files: if you edit the HDR version, then the SDR version will not be generated from the camera profile, it will be generated from the HDR version using the SDR Preview panel settings... which is not ideal. The whole HDR space is nascent and all players in the ecosystem will be tuning these workflows for the years to come.
If you are able to share your original and edited DNG we can do some more debugging. The forum still, unfortunately, does not support uploading DNGs, so it would need to be via a file sharing service like Box or Google Drive.
Thank you for developing this app. I recently upgraded from 16pro Max to 17pro Max. I found that I can't use indigo. I haven't taken photos for more than a week (the sharpening of the iOS camera makes me unable to arouse interest). Please support the 17 series quickly, please. . Another question: Can a switch about HDR be set for framing and photo preview? Hdr preview/shooting not only consumes power for me, but also has to press and hold the mobile phone screen to switch to sdr every time I look at photos (of course, hdr also has many benefits, so I wonder if I can add a corresponding switch?), thank you!
By @呦呦29431623c1v2
iPhone 17-series support is coming. Apple made some significant changes to the front camera so that is taking more time, but we are making steady progress on it. Regarding SDR/HDR switch, we are looking into it. That is not as trivial of a question, depending on the workflow users want after capture, but once we have a solution we are satisfied with we will share an update.
just wanted to check its been weeks not days since Iphone17 release 😄
do we have an update please
By @youthful_gift5432
17-series bringup is in progress. It takes time because we need to recalibrate many parameters of the processing pipeline due to small but impactful changes in ultrawide and wide cameras, there is a brand new telephoto that needs tuning, and the front camera is very different from anything Apple has released in the past... so we have our hands full. Thank you for the patience.
Boris - when the support for the 17 series arrives, will there also be any fun feature additions for those of us on iPhone 16 and below, or do you foresee it more as a patch-type update for iPhone 17 compatibility, with the most recent 1.0.3 being the big feature jump?
By @Moonboots22
Let me flip this around on you - did 1.0.3 have some useful/helpful new features? In addition, did you notice some improvements in the app stability and performance? 🙂
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