Trouble Accessing Generative Fill Feature

[Jordan26437343lemp]

I'm trying to remove a powerline from this image, and "traditional" methods (such as the healing tool in Lightroom) have failed -- they remove it, but it looks unnatural. Then I found this page from Adobe describing Photoshop's Generative Erase tool: https://helpx.adobe.com/express/using/remove-object-generative-fill.html and tried to follow along. I selected a brush and traced the line, but the Generate button never appeared. Bottom line: is there, in fact, any way to use this new tool to realistically get rid of this powerline? Thank you.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Could you please post screenshots taken with the pertinent Panels (Toolbar, Layers, Options Bar, …) visible? 

The Remove Tool seems to work fine here. 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

Sure, here you go. If you really want me to post another one, I can, but the gist of it is that once I try selecting the subject, it gives me a message indicating that there is no prominent subject to be selected. Which, in turn, as I said above, means that the Generate button never appears so I can't follow the instructions in the link I posted. Hope this at least helps explain. 

PS. If you look closely the brush tool is used to brush over the powerline, hence the thicker black line. 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Quite frankly I don’t fully understand what you are doing.

Please just try the Remove Tool set to »Remove after each Stroke«.

[Jordan26437343lemp]

I will, but that kind of strikes me as doing it manually (which, yes, would still get the job done), and part of this for me is becoming more proficient with the new AI tools. Which is what got me interested in the page I linked to above: "remove objects from on image" (using AI). 

So as for what I am trying to do here, it really comes down to step #5 on that page: "Leave the prompt box blank, select Generate, and choose an image from the generated results." But, again, I don't know how to do that if there IS no Generate option to select. I guess I could even ask the question about a bit more generally: how do I get the "generate" button to display? I feel like if I could do that, I would be able to accomplish what I'm trying to accomplish here. 

Thanks again. 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Could you please post meaningful screenshots with the pertinent Panels (Toolbar, Layers, Options Bar, …) visible to illustrate the whole process? 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

I'm sure that you're trying to help, but I also feel like on some level you're kind of dodging my question now. I use Lightroom much more than Photoshop. And with good reason -- I prefer it. But this AI technology, which is apparently only available in Photoshop (so far), might be the proverbial "gamechanger," and I want to explore it. I posted a link to a page (written by Adobe itself) explaining that it's possible to remove an object with Generative AI. But, again, that requires a Generate button to appear in the first place. ALL I really want to know is how to get that Generate button to appear. Based on what I do know about Generative AI, it doesn't require the use of multiple layers, etc., in the same way a traditional workflow does. So the only "meaningful" secreenshot there is is the one I've already posted. Now I just need to know what step to take in order to get that Generate button to show up so that I can, in turn, follow the process on the page I linked to. 

[c.pfaffenbichler · Accepted solution]

The Link you posted referred to Adobe Express, not Photoshop.

If you want to achieve a task in Photoshop please refer to Photoshop tutorials.

Or post meaningful screenshots so I can understand what exactly you are doing. 

And please try the Remove Tool already. 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

Ah, yes. I kind of wish you had just pointed that out to me immediately -- it could have saved us both some trouble. I WILL try that later on when I get back to my laptop (on which Photoshop is installed),  but now I'm also curious about trying Adobe Express. 

I guess I just assumed it was Photoshop as I thought that Photoshop was the only software with Generative AI features. 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Firefly exists separately, at least Illustrator and Indesign also feature generative AI features, for the video releated Adobe applications (Premiere, After Effects, …) I cannot tell. 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

So as you can see from the new screenshot, I WAS able to get this done with a pretty good result. I will say, though, that the "Remove Tool" was not easy to find. I actually even asked ChatGPT about it, and it responded "As of my last update, there isn't a tool or feature in Photoshop referred to as the 'Remove Tool' with an option to 'Remove after each Stroke.' So I'm assuming that this is a fairly new addition. Furthmore, it wasn't one of the items shown in the menu on the side by default. I just stumbled up on it when right-clicking on the Spot Healing Brush Tool (yes, with the help of your screenshot, but I didn't know you had to right-click it). Again, I do NOT use Photoshop a lot.

So, the bottom line is that, yes, mission accomplished as far as the actual photo goes. But I'd still love to eventually figure out how to do this the AI way.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

In the future you may not want to waste time on Chat GPT for searching Tools/Menu Items/… in Photoshop but simply use Photoshop’s own Discover-feature (click the loupe-icon right on the Options Bar). 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

The Remove Tool utilizes AI, but (as far as I understand) a local model that is smaller than Generative Fill or Firefly. 

If you want to use Generative Fill instead create a Selection (with any of the Selection Tools) and trigger Generative Fill (from the Contextual Task Bar for example). 

But keep in mind that Generative Fill creates only up to 1024px by 1024px and upsamples if necessary. 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

The Discover feature in and of itself something I wasn't aware of. My point in mentioning my use of ChatGPT for this purpose was just to point out that apparently it's kind of a hidden feature (or, again, just new, and therefore less likely to something I would have been made aware of before). Thank you. 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Google seems to provide meaningful information for »photoshop remove tool«, Chat GPT is not exactly a search engine, is it? 

Photoshop 2023 (24.7.3) includes the Remove Tool, so it is not that recent an addition. 

[Jordan26437343lemp]

No, but it's something I increasingly go to for my tech support needs, as well as, I suspect, many others! And most times it actually works out pretty well. Often times even better in terms of providing actual step-by-step instructions. 

[frbggl55]

Every time I try to create a new background for a fully dressed woman it says that it has trouble.  I think that AI is set to disallow images that have allot of skin showing. This is not the case here but I think that the color dress which is brown is being read as skin. There is nothing outside of community standards. Is there a way I can certify that I read the standards page and that the image meets the standards? Other please work on this feature. If I use a picture of her in a blue dress no problems. Suggests? Work around? I call support and they experienced the same thing and merely suggested I comment here so AI developers can look into this. Support sent the picture. If you are a developer and want samples of files that don't work please let me know. I spent countless hours trying to get Generative fill to work with these images.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

A crude workaround might be to temporarily apply Hue/Saturation to change the hue (ideally as an Adjustment Layer but I am not sure Generative Fill will honor that, less ideally destructively and restore the pertinent elemenst from a copy later on).