Generative fill and expand privacy question

[Nathaniel23367819t36k]

I've updated to PSD V25 and note that these tools are now availalbe for commercial use. Does Adobe save/use the images I creating using Generative fill and expand into it's database/learning set? Wondering if client work is then potentailly used as part of a data set. Just want to make sure there are no posiblites that the work used/created can be visible or used to derive other generatoins for other users. 

[c.pfaffenbichler]

I seem to recall that it has been mentioned that the images sent in for processing will not be stored at Adobe, but I cannot locate the page. 

@davescm , please forgive the intrusion, can you remember if (and where) this has been elaborated on by Adobe personnel? 

[davescm]

I've not seen anything on that specific question and ,not being a lawyer or working for Adobe, I can only point to the published help artictles along with the terms and guidelines:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2024.html#gen-ai-photoshop

https://www.adobe.com/uk/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

https://wwwimages2.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/servicetou/Adobe-Generative-AI-Additional-Terms...

https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html

Dave

[c.pfaffenbichler]

Thanks! 

I thought someone mentioned that the images that are sent in to Adobe for »fireflying« are not stored but I may be misremembering … 

Anyway I think one of the links you posted

https://wwwimages2.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/servicetou/Adobe-Generative-AI-Additional-Terms...

contains something that sounds like the answer to the OP’s question: 

»The Input and Output are your Content (and are not Content Files or Sample Files)«

[jane-e]

I thought someone mentioned that the images that are sent in to Adobe for »fireflying« are not stored but I may be misremembering … 

By @c.pfaffenbichler

I remember reading the same thing, Christophe. Someone asked the question and an employee answered saying the images created by GF are not stored — they are immediately deleted. I can't find it now.

Jane

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Nathaniel23367819t36k @c.pfaffenbichler see this article. Adobe Firefly features are trained on Adobe Stock images, openly licensed content, and public domain content where copyright has expired. Not your images.

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/03/21/responsible-innovation-age-of-generative-ai

[Nathaniel23367819t36k]

I also saw this, but then I also see that it only lists Adobe stock as a generator of content for Generative Fill. Does that mean that Firefly was trained on adobe stock, openly licensed content and public domain content, but that when you use Generative fill (non-beta version) that i uses only adobe stock images when manipulating your image? Or is it also using images from the other two sources?

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

It uses all the sources when generating images, but it does not store or learn from your image. It's uploaded to produce, then purged when returned. Adobe Firefly cant use user input images to learn from or there would be nothing preventing someone from training it on copyrighted or commercial images thereby voiding Adobe's indeminity claims.

[Conrad_C]

I think there might be a difference between uploading for processing, and uploading to add to the generative AI data set. Where I get that from is that in Photoshop, if you open Preferences and click the Product Improvement category, there are some options for giving Adobe permission to analyze usage and also let Adobe use your “images and associated data to train Adobe’s generative AI models.” In the screen shot you can see that both options have been disabled in Photoshop on this computer.

But I forget which way they are set by default, so everyone should check their own settings.

Generative fill still works with both options disabled, so I would like to assume (because I don’t technically know) that disabling both options means your images still get uploaded for processing, but are not kept by Adobe for the purposes listed in that dialog box.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Conrad_C I dont see that option on general release 25.0 - are you running the Beta?

[davescm]

I see it here in release 25.0.0 r.37 under Preferences >Product Improvement

Dave

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@davescm must be because we are enterprise managed. That could be controlled at the Admin level.

[Conrad_C]

Hi Kevin, this is in public release 25.0.0 20230906.r.37 according to System Info.

Also, the preference panel itself is not new…it’s been in Photoshop 2023 (v24.7.1) as well, and actually it’s exactly the same settings there too.