NEF file fraud

[defaultw4x9l13t6pt5]

I have two paths / curves which are side by side and I stroked the one on the right. I increase that stroke to 100 ... and then I see the stroke show behind the non stroked curve on the left. Does this mean that the image I traced was designed multi-layered and the image which has the stroke showing behind (left) was actually the top layer in the original photo.  I am trying to use illy to determine the true make-up of the original photo.

This issue is very important and your answer may be helpful in a Law Matter. I have post a picture which shows strokes on the wall to the right of the dresser yet it strokes through.  Thank you

subject renamed by moderator for clarity (was Strokes question for)

[defaultw4x9l13t6pt5]

Hello Adobe Community,

Thank you for the responses. I had quite a time getting these images up to
the cloud and have not qualified them properly. There are a couple of the
images that require supporting images so that it will make it easier to
understand. I will place those images right-away which I believe will put
some things in perspective. Time here is 2:12 PM and I should have the up
by 3:00.

Thank you all.

I have made a folder available on iCloud and will populate it with supporting information. Right now there is a video which shows image DSC_0994 having been processed with an HDR app. It shows where the roof was erased and is the most important image in this crime. I am asking anyone who has the ability to apply the 'High Dynamic Range' process

if it is usuable in this matter.  As an inexperienced photoshop user, it looks to me that I am seeing the actual traces that point to fraud.  I got the idea from a former forensics person who was been out of the business for many years an it was he who put me on this path. Please have a look. 

I am not sure if I have the iCloud Drive working right but I am trying my best. Here's the link to the Adobe Folder:

https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0LkuHc2IIdyEpvdWtPOOZg9mQ#Adobe

Thank You.

Have tried the newest link?  I tried it and I was asked to sign in to iCloud...... is that how it looks to you as well.

Is there a way to view the folder without having to sign in?  Please let me know.

https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0LkuHc2IIdyEpvdWtPOOZg9mQ#Adobe

Thank you

[Jacob Bugge · Accepted solution]

David,

Is it possible to see the JPEG that formed the basis of the Vectored and Roof1 image, for easier comparison?

With regard to the DSC_0996 image, to me it looks like an erasing of whatever is/was above the fascia (to transparency which then becomes solid white when saved as JPEG (and turned into NEF)) above the fascia, one reason for the interpretation apparent (when zoomed way in) in the little area spanning X = 1138 - 1172 and Y = 147 - 183 (Info coordinates in Photoshop based on the Image Size 3872 x 2592 with the X = Y = 0 at the upper left corner) with leftovers that (literally) stand out in the little area mentioned if you set the Tolerance to 1 and click with the Magic Wand somewhere in the whiteness; at least I fail to remember the last time I have seen a solid white sky, solid white as in R = G = B = 255 for the whole sky except at the fringes with the transitions to the fascia and the greenery as can be seen when zooming out; and the solid white also occurs in parts of the rightmost area above/to the right and X = 2174/Y = 289 as seen when clicking there.

With regard to the DSC_0994 seemingly from 10th September at 17:15 as compared with DSC_0996 from 1 minute later at 17:16 and DSC_1017 from 8 minutes later at 17:23, there is a striking change in the weather/sky from clear blue sky (even with rays of sun) to solid white/fully clouded (within 1 minute) and back to clear blue sky (within 7 minutes); at least I fail to remember the last time I have seen such changes.

With regard to the DSC_0994 seemingly from 10th September at 17:15 as compared with DSC_0002_1 seemingly from 3rd June at 10:26, the trees (in front of the house) to the right (as mentioned in/on the Vectored and Roof1 image) seem further to the right (also relative to the gap in the kerb/pavement right in front of the rear wheel of the RCMP car); and that also applies to the end of the fence and thereby to the width of the driveway; and the kerb/pavement is quite different: on DSC_0994 the kerb/pavement is much lower, and the kerb runs all the way through instead of tapering off to the smooth transition between road and driveway seen on DSC_0002_1, the right end of the transition starting at the gap which is right in front of the rear wheel of the RCMP car on the DSC_0994 image. It seems that the gap mentioned is in the same place.

I hope these simple observations applying to the images as presented can be useful, at least for further consideration/assessment by more knowledgeable friends.

Edit: Edited for clarity and correction of errors.

[davescm · Accepted solution]

You really need to be careful here.

You refer to a legal issue, and fraud. Advice over the internet is not going to stand up under scrutiny and if you attempted to use it and refer to then the people trying to give you advice could be dragged into a legal wrangle.

It is for that reason that we do not engage in posts such as requests to deblur vehicle registration plates.

Take the advice given by several posters and engage a professional forensic service.

Dave

[defaultw4x9l13t6pt5]

Thank you for your adive Dave but I am not able to enlist professional services for a number of reasons. One of the reasons is it is too expensive and too impersonal.  I have managed to learn in these few posts from users here at Abobe Community many things I have not known and I am enjoying the curve. 

I am getting great answers here and will continue to do so. So thanks for your advice!

[Lumigraphics]

There is no way we can tell you with any certainty what happened to these photos. You need to have the police or a professional investigator look into this. I believe this is a misuse of the forum.

[defaultw4x9l13t6pt5]

Thnks for your response but I have received some very good advice from this forum and I am taking that advice seriously. All it takes is one person with more knowledge and the willingness to weigh in to help. I am grateful to those who have reached out positively. I don't believe this a misuse of the forum by asking advice from people familiar with Adobe photoshop / Illustrator.  After all, photoshop is one of the top programs used by professionals to investigate crimes like this and I see no reason why I should look elsewhere when the best place in the world to ask for advice and tips etc is the Adobe professionals from around the world.  It is unfortunate that there is always a few who believe that they own the forum or who beleive that their position supercedes others.

This forum reminds people that there are always people willing to help people no matter the cause. I do not wish to hear from anyone that isn't interested in this challenge. I do appreciate your views though.

[davescm]

This thread is now straying well away from the purpose of the forums, which is to provide help and advice on using Adobe's applications. It is also in danger of exposing forum members to potential legal issues, based on opinions given here on what might or might not have happened with specific images.

For those reasons I have locked the thread.

Dave