P: Photoshop 22.4 - Missing Save as formats from the menu

[Samuel5DFB]

I just updated to the mentioned version and the formats dropdown list only shows 3 formats: Photoshop (*.PSD;*.PDD;*.PSDT), *.PSB and TIFF (*.TIF;*.TIFF).

[Abambo]

The only file format that Photoshop needs to support is the Photoshopformat. All others may or may not be fully compatible.

[D Fosse]

OK, so we have progress. You seem to understand now why it had to change on the Mac side.

So that leaves the other question: why it also had to change on Windows. That's a policy decision, but governed by practical implications. There's a whole vast ecosystem out there with actions, scripts, education and tutorials and so on, people actually make a living from this. You can't just pull the rug from under all that. Not to mention a whole bunch of bi-platform users.

[D Fosse]

Have you read the finance papers lately? Apple is the biggest corporation in the history of computing. Not saying I like it, but Apple can eat Adobe for breakfast if the thought occurs to them. Let's hope it doesn't.

Besides, 50% of the Photoshop user base is Mac. It's not their fault. Trust me, if we had to live with a segregated Photoshop community, it would be a problem for all of us.

[D Fosse]

Actually, you misunderstand this completely. Saving a jpeg is no problem, Mac or Windows. All the application has to do is chop the file up so that it meets the jpeg specification. 8 bit, flat, no transparency, no alpha channels.

Photoshop can do that just fine. That's what all the other applications do, that seemingly don't have this problem.

But that's not what you want, is it. You want to retain your layers, bit depth, transparency, alpha channels, to go back to later. So you can't just save the original file, that would mean permanently discarding all that data. Trust me, you don't want that.

So you need to save a copy. That's the core of the whole issue.

This is the change in MacOS. You can no longer pass off a copy as an original file. Actually, you could argue that there are good reasons for that, and as a policy, I can accept that.

[D Fosse]

You are putting things in my mouth, I do not care about any of that.

By @na59973511

Well, then, you don't have a problem. Your files don't have or need any of these properties (16 bit depth/layers/transparency/alpha channels), so they should already fit in the jpeg specification.  In that case jpeg will appear in the Save As menu and you can just save the old way.

[D Fosse]

It's not about caring more for one. It's about caring equally for both. And that's how it should be.

[JJMack]

Then Adobe should have Address the Apple problem find a way to overwrite an existing file. I do not think it would hard to delete an existing mac file so Photoshop Save As would create a new File without the " copy".  The way both Mac and PC user would be happy.  Apple users do not want " copy".  Adobe had a brain fart..... and it stinks....

[D Fosse]

JJ, they've had over a year to explore all possible solutions. If you think you have a solution that hasn't occurred to the Photoshop engineering team, feel free. In the meantime, this continued ranting serves no sensible purpose. Please stop. There's plenty enough to go around these days.

[JJMack]

You are entitle to your opinion as am I.  I my opinion it is wrong for Adobe to brake users work flows and actions they have been using for years.  Adobe had over a year and they still mess up Photoshop like they have done release after release.  Remember the Line tool,  the transform tool reversed behavior.  Esc commit text change not cancel. Adobe support has a poor track record.  Photoshop's engineering team  has a history of stating work is in progress yet years go by and the reported and acknowledge bugs are not fix.  You have been around but seem to be putting you head underground.  Adobe Photoshop engineering team has also made many good improvement to Photoshop.  Photoshop is a great application. It just not a perfect applications it has too many issues.  IMO Photoshop is on a down hill Path. I sure hope you opinion that my  ranting is useless is wrong.

Adobe should be in charge of Photoshop not Apple  Photoshop is Adobe property.  Mac user do not want ' COPY" either.... They want to replace files.  Not create a new file  with  copy added to the file name. Users do not want different version of an image they want their latest edits in  their jpeg.    Apple has a problem  Mac users do not want  Apple copy change.  The want to be able to update/replace  their jpeg files like PC users can.  If a user wants  version of an image they have no problem saving the image with a new version name.     Uses should be able the edit existing versions not forced to create additional versions.

[Lumigraphics]

so much whining...

[jay_ebooks]

It is their fault. Do you think the other 50% don't matter? This may not be a significant issue on its own, but is just a long list of times Adobe has given Apple preferential treatment at the expense of Windows users. They announced Windows ARM support almost two years ago and we barely have stable lightroom and photoshop, without even a hint of Fresco *which was shown off running*. But the second Apple snaps their fingers, half the suite already has M1 support in a matter of a few months. You don't need to defend them.

[Lumigraphics]

Its NOT a problem, its a security fix. Or maybe we should just ignore security like Microsoft did for years? How did that work out? Do you run anti-virus software on your PC? I don't on my Macs, but on my only PC you bet I do.

[Molnfab]

Mac users does not want this change eighter.

Let's stand united.

[davescm]

Yesterdays update to 22.4.1 did not change Save As/Save a copy.

What you are probably seeing is what was also the case yesterday. If your document contents can be preserved in a jpeg file i.e it has a background layer, no other layers or adjustment layers, no additional channels, no hidden pixels, no transparency  then jpeg will appear in Save As.

Dave

[Molnfab]

(Just a little rant)

Now with this philosophy of preventing noobs from losing the original data. How come is it fine to Save as … in a lossy format like jpeg, without forcing a copy?

[D Fosse]

Photoshop always made a copy with Save As to jpeg. That's what people don't understand.

Photoshop just hid that fact from the user, by stripping "-copy" from the filename. That is no longer possible.

[Molnfab]

People do understand it makes a copy behind the scene. That is the way we want it.

[D Fosse]

Nothing has changed. You just have a file that already fits within the narrow jpeg specification. In that case, it appears in Save As because it's not necessary to make a copy.

[davescm]

No that is inaccurate .Yesterdays update to 22.4.1 did not change Save As/Save a copy.

What you are probably seeing is what was also the case in 22.4. If your document contents can be preserved in a jpeg file i.e it has a background layer, no other layers or adjustment layers, no additional channels, no hidden pixels, no transparency  then jpeg will appear in Save As.

If it is 16 bit, jpeg 2000 appears in the list but that is not the standard jpeg format

Add a layer and jpeg 2000 and PNG also disappear from Save As  and are available only in Save a Copy

Dave

[davescm]

What you are probably seeing is what was also the case in 22.4. If your document contents can be preserved in a jpeg file i.e it has a background layer, no other layers or adjustment layers, no additional channels, no hidden pixels, no transparency  then jpeg will appear in Save As.

If it is 16 bit, jpeg 2000 appears in the list but that is not the standard jpeg format

Add a layer and jpeg 2000 and PNG also disappear from Save As  and are available only in Save a Copy

Dave

[JJMack]

Adobe has made a annoying Photoshop UI change the give many a Photoshop users an issue they have to deal with.  The change is not compatible with previous version Adobe Photoshop UI. operations. Some Action have also been infected by the UI changes.  Script that I have I has tested the use that use Adobe's document Save As method seem to be un effected they still function correctly..

[pixalien]

Why Adobe is constantly doing things like this to mess with the core work flow is beyond me. this may be the most ridiculous and pointless update theyve done to date. So irritating

[pixalien]

At the VERY LEAST, remove the automatic prompt saying - copy that literally no one ever uses for anything ever, and if they do, they can type it themselves

[davescm]

@na59973511 That is misleading representation of what has happened and what has been done. Take a read of this:

https://petapixel.com/2021/05/18/photoshops-save-as-function-has-changed-on-mac-heres-why/

Dave

[davescm]

No your explanation was inaccurate and misleading and as you repeatedly insist on marking your own inaccurate answer as correct I am locking this thread - there are plenty of others to follow on the subject

Dave

[Faati]

Hey Everyone,

All of a sudden my Save As function has changed. I can only save as a tiff, psd or psb. I have to click Save as a Copy to get my regular options and it will add "copy" to the file name this way... It's infuriating. 

Been using Photoshop for years, never had this problem. Anyone got a solution? 

What I've tried:
Reinstalled 2 times (last time without keeping prefs)
My file is not too big (1000p x 1000p

Color mode is regular RGB

8 bit channel

If this is a new update... O.o