P: Photoshop 22.4 - Missing Save as formats from the menu

[Samuel5DFB]

I just updated to the mentioned version and the formats dropdown list only shows 3 formats: Photoshop (*.PSD;*.PDD;*.PSDT), *.PSB and TIFF (*.TIF;*.TIFF).

[phil180]

Having just reverted to a previous version: IT SEEMS THE SAME "ISSUE" IS
ALSO IN THAT VERSION!



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[dominicg19108397]

I 100% agree, i spent the last 4 days loosing my mind because only way to get it to work is if you completely flatten the file. all layers and everything, then you can save as any file type. but then run the risk of accidently saving over your original .PSD file with all its layers.

didnt mean to cause a storm with this community post, but its just crazy to think adobe would force an update that is going backwards. AND NOT EVEN ADVISE IT, NOT EVEN A "NEW FEATURE" POP UP.

[JJMack]

That is wrong you can still use a Photoshop Scripting to save the file you want to save without flatting your open  Photoshop document.  With a layer document in photoshop run this script.  It shoulfd save a flat jpeg file on your desktop.  "SaveDesktopJpeg.jsx"

var Name = activeDocument.name;
var jpegfile =  new File('~/Desktop/' + Name);
SaveAsJPEG(jpegfile, 10);
function SaveAsJPEG(saveFile, jpegQuality){
	var doc = activeDocument;
	if (doc.bitsPerChannel != BitsPerChannelType.EIGHT) doc.bitsPerChannel = BitsPerChannelType.EIGHT;
	jpgSaveOptions = new JPEGSaveOptions();
	jpgSaveOptions.embedColorProfile = true;
	jpgSaveOptions.formatOptions = FormatOptions.STANDARDBASELINE;
	jpgSaveOptions.matte = MatteType.NONE;
	jpgSaveOptions.quality = jpegQuality;
	activeDocument.saveAs(File(saveFile+".jpg"), jpgSaveOptions, true,Extension.LOWERCASE);
}

Your document was not flatten during this save as operation  a flat jpeg file was saved.  Jpeg file format does not support layers.

[lanec97497377]

Hello, 

I have the newest version of photoshop and I can't save edited images as jpg, there is only large format and tiff options. 

I chatted with someone from adobe and they told me it was because my file sizes are too large. If I flatten the image, it works. 

But I'm really confused why this is happening. I use a program called Ortery to capture images. I save them from ortery as jpegs and then open them in photoshop and I have been doing this for the last year with no problems. I used photoshop a few days ago and everything worked fine. I haven't updated Ortery or anything else on my computer aside from updating photoshop a couple hours ago. The image sizes have always been large when I'm editing, but they were still allowing me to save as jpg. So I'm extremely confused why this is just now an issue, does anyone have any insight? It's not a huge deal for me to just flatten the image, I'm, again, just so dang confused. 

Thanks!

[nikunj.m]

Hi,

We're sorry about the trouble with Photoshop. Please try saving the document using the option to Save a Copy from the File menu & you should be able to save the file as a Jpeg. For more info, please check: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2021-4.html

Regards,

Nikunj

[DaveJCummings]

JPGs are compressed files that don't allow for multiple layers of an image.  Which is why in the older versions of Photoshop,  if you saved a multi layer image and tried to save it as a JPG without flattening it,  you'd get a little dialog telling you that you must save it as a copy,  which would flatten that image.  Usually if you're using multiple layers,  you need to save it as either a PSD or TIF file 

[Squid-]

The point is that prior to this update, you could simply select 'Save as', select a single-layer filetype such as JPG or PNG and PS would deal with it (i.e., flatten, save and unflatten). Now instead of selecting 'Save as', you select 'Save a copy' and have to delete " copy" from the file name each time, which is a pain in the ass.

[jg43511995]

If everyone sends the link to this thread to Apple I’m sure they’ll get right on it. Or not.

Here’s the magic link again: https://www.apple.com/feedback/macos.html

[nicholasw38035566]

Hi why can't I save as any project or image as a jpeg or PNG? I know I can save for web legacy but it's a slower process, I just want to hit save as and save out as a JPEG why are all the options I usually have gone? 

[D Fosse]

"Save As" now lists only the formats that support all the current properties of the file. All other formats, with limited support, are now moved to "Save A Copy".

This was changed because the Save As jpeg function had already been broken for over a year on the Mac side, since Catalina. Saving over a jpeg resulted in a separate file with "-copy" appended. The programming function to strip "-copy" from the filename had been removed by Apple, and there was no way for Adobe to work around it. The Save As jpeg function was rendered useless by this and had to be totally rewritten.

This is not a bug, but a deliberate policy from Apple.

To be clear, saving a layered/16 bit file as jpeg saved out a copy the whole time. That is important to understand! The jpeg format does not allow 16 bit depth, layers, transparency or alpha channels. That fact was just hidden by Photoshop, by removing "-copy", but with Catalina it was no longer possible and "-copy" would always appear regardless.

Everybody should keep in mind that the direct save to jpeg, from 16 bit/layered files, was introduced in Photoshop CS5 in 2010. Prior to that, it was not possible at all to save directly to jpeg. First you had to remove every property in the file that wasn't supported in the jpeg specification. Only then could you save it. So this is nothing new - but this time you can use Save A Copy.

Platform parity has always been important in Photoshop, for the sake of actions, plugins, tutorials and so on. So it had to be changed in the Windows version as well, even though it never was a problem on Windows. But it may well be in the future, if Microsoft adopts the same policy.

[nicholasw38035566]

Gosh would be nice to have an explanation warning dialog for average users who don't read the update notes in detail when you hit save as, not just flying blind.....

[chufeybartender]

Totally agree.  I spent several hours....uninstalled and reinstalled Photoshop trying to figure out what was wrong.  A simple explannation for one of the most used commands would have been nice.  

[TheDigitalDog]

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@nicholasw38035566 wrote:

Gosh would be nice to have an explanation warning dialog for average users who don't read the update notes in detail when you hit save as, not just flying blind.....

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Now why would users not read an update notes in detail after automatically and blindly updating? 

Of course, Adobe did explain this. 

I think some people enjoy complaining almost as much as they enjoy doing nothing about it. 

[nicholasw38035566]

Because some of us are actually busy and dont have time to read 10+ program updates and also dont have the time to post pointless comments on community posts all day. Right and creating a community post is doing nothing about it apparently.....? you sound daft mate

[TheDigitalDog]

Apparently not too busy to post in a user to user forum than RTFM. That's daft. 

[davescm]

Everything D Fosse said plus two shortcuts:

Save As         Shift+Ctrl+S

Save a Copy  Alt+Ctrl+S

Dave

[Nancy OShea]

Use File > Export > Export As to save a copy as PNG or JPG. 

[D Fosse]

"Save As" now lists only the formats that support all the current properties of the file, thus preserving all your work. All other formats, with limited support, are now moved to "Save A Copy".

This was changed because the Save As jpeg function had already been broken for over a year on the Mac side, since Catalina. Saving over a jpeg resulted in a separate file with "-copy" appended. The programming function to strip "-copy" from the filename had been removed by Apple, and there was no way for Adobe to work around it. The Save As jpeg function was  rendered useless by this and had to be totally rewritten.

To be clear, saving a layered/16 bit file as jpeg saved out a copy the whole time. That is important to understand! The jpeg format does not allow 16 bit or layers. That fact was just hidden by Photoshop, by removing "-copy", but with Catalina it was no longer possible and "-copy" would always appear regardless.

Everybody should keep in mind that the direct save to jpeg, from 16 bit/layered files, was introduced in Photoshop CS5 in 2010. Prior to that, it was not possible at all to save directly to jpeg. First you had to remove every property in the file that wasn't supported in the jpeg specification. Only then could you save it. So this is nothing new - but this time you can use Save A Copy.

Platform parity has always been a sacred principle in Photoshop, so it had to be changed in the Windows version as well, even though it never was a problem on Windows.

[TheDigitalDog]

Yes, he's telling you why the software had to be changed and how it now behaves. 

[Squid-]

Yeah, but what are you gonna do? Stop using Photoshop?

[D Fosse]

Adobe didn't remove it. Apple did.

The API (application programming interface) that allowed Photoshop to save out a jpeg copy, but strip "-copy" from the filename, was removed from MacOS Catalina.

In short, it didn't work anymore on the Mac side.

[D Fosse]

Yeah, that's what they all say, but breaking platform parity has severe and far-reaching consequences. It just wasn't on the table.

I'm Windows myself, but I fully understand why they had to do this.

[D Fosse]

Let me ask you something: What did you do before CS5? That's when this ability to directly save out a jpeg from a layered and/or 16 bit file was introduced. Before that, it wasn't possible at all. What did you do then?

[Imedia-MP]

Sorry, but what a weird question ... Adobe has made many things better since CS5 and there is no reason to make things worse again. BTW what did you do before Personal Computers were designed? The same kind of "state of art question" ... Do you really want to have machines of 2009 (CS4)? No, you don't. And we don't want to go steps backwards. So what? I really appreciate people and companies who don't accept any dicatorship of any company. Spotify and Epic Games are sending their regards ... And they aren't bigger than Adobe at all. But may be with so much more courage ...

But to be clear - I am not a fanboy of any OS but I don't understand why all companies immediately submit if Apple tries to determine the rules.

Does Adobe really think to loose all the photographers and designers if Photoshop or InDesign or ever what else of Adobe's apps doesn't run on MAC OS any more? Apple is just almost a religion, but if you need to earn money, switching to Windows is no killer argument. So what? Apple does not buy Adobe's products. They only want to sell THEIR products. No partnership. Adobe is a competitor. So please, more courage ...

[JJMack]

Apple does not own Photoshop Adobe programs Photoshop. Apple did nothing to Photoshop. Apple changed their Mac OSX system. Adobe over reacted to what Apple did in their OS and gave all Photoshop users a new Photoshop issued they need  to deal with.  It very annoying.