P: Photoshop 22.4 - Missing Save as formats from the menu

[Samuel5DFB]

I just updated to the mentioned version and the formats dropdown list only shows 3 formats: Photoshop (*.PSD;*.PDD;*.PSDT), *.PSB and TIFF (*.TIF;*.TIFF).

[Conrad_C]

We need to keep in mind that the way Photoshop was handling these formats had, over time, become uncommon in other software. The “new” way Photoshop translates features to non-native formats is now much more consistent with how many other graphics applications work, including other Adobe apps.

The common practice in graphics applications, and many Adobe and Mac applications, is that if a format can save all features native to that application, the format is in Save As. But if a format can’t preserve application native features, that format is generally listed as an export or Save a Copy format, not a Save As format.

So, the way Photoshop works now should actually be familiar, and not confusing at all, to those who regularly use a number of modern applications. Because that’s pretty much how things work now generally. It also means that if someone is sufficiently unhappy with this change to Photoshop that they decide to switch to the competition, in most cases they will find the competition has already been working this way for years, with no “legacy” option to put a format like JPEG in Save As.

It seems like Photoshop was able to get away with the old way until Apple forced their hand by more formally building modern format handling into the macOS save code.

So although it means we end up having to file this under the long list of “things that worked differently a quarter of a century ago” (which applies to a lot of things in life, even outside computers), what it also means is Photoshop was simply getting caught up with the rest of the world.

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[jane-e]

@Sung3217474409y5 

If you wanted us to examine your screenshot and figure out your question, I think it's that you are missing the control for "Default File Location"

Either you have an earlier version of PS and need to upgrade

or

You need to reset your Preferences

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

If I made the wrong guess, please clarify.

Jane

[Todd364084029dg9]

Correct guess. This caught me off guard when I was in a hurry. Thank you, Jane!

[evay14521556]

Since JPG and PNG have been downgraded to be saved as "Save As A Copy" I continuously see myself doing extra unnecessary clicks. By bringing them back into the "Save As" section, I can save numerous versions when working on a file much faster.

The "Save As A Copy" is in my opinion a real downgrade.

[Jeff Arola]

You can revert to the old behaviour by going to Preferences>File Handling and checking Enable legacy "Save As"

Edit>Preferences>FileHandling (Windows)

Photoshop 2024>Settings (Preferences)>File Handling (Mac)

[Todd364084029dg9]

Thank you, Jeff!

[evay14521556]

This is brilliant, thanks, Jeff.

[Todd364084029dg9]

This is incredibly frustrating! I don't understand WHY Adobe feels the need to constantly fix things that aren't broken. I do not have time to learn updates every time I open an app. If it were some radical new improvement or feature, that's one thing, but changing basic things like being able to quickly save a file in a format like you have done a zillion times before is just another time-wasting and (probably) uneccasary step. 

[Derek Cross]

There are counter-arguments/reasons, if you care to look, but in the meantime as Jeff posted:
You can revert to the old behaviour by going to

Settings > File Handling and checking Enable legacy "Save As"

[Todd364084029dg9]

I understand. Thank you for the help with this, Derek! 

[jane-e]

This is incredibly frustrating! I don't understand WHY Adobe feels the need to constantly fix things that aren't broken.

By @Todd364084029dg9

When other companies change their APIs, Adobe has no choice but to make changes. In this particular case, Apple changed their API. Details are in other posts in this thread.

Jane

[John Waller]

I don't understand WHY Adobe feels the need to constantly fix things that aren't broken.

By @Todd364084029dg9

This discussion has made it clear that this change had nothing to do with Adobe.

Apple changed the behaviour of its operating system so Adobe had to respond to keep things working in Photoshop.

[Trevor.Dennis]

How many times has that happened?!  I seem to be quoting Chis Cox a lot today, but I remember him telling us that Apple constantly made changes to IOS that broke Photoshop.  Do you remember the path visibility issue when they were so hard to see against certain tones and hues?  Chris said they could not do anything to improve it because of the (implied non standard) way blend modes worked in IOS.  Plus you only need to look at all the 'Known Issues with ...' pages for every IOS major version change.  I think, but could not swear to it, that Chris also said that the Development team always used OS Libraries APIs etc., legitimately/legally, but I wouldn't put my money on that being true.  If they could speed up a function by taking shortcuts, I can't help but think that they would do just that.

Hmmm...  Now I've said that, it seems unlikely that they would dig holes for themselves, because of the likelyhood of things breaking at the next major OS update.  Yep.  Ipso facto.  Apple are a right shower — case proven.  😉

[D Fosse]

Now I've said that, it seems unlikely that they would dig holes for themselves

By @Trevor.Dennis

Actually, that's just what they did  - but not in the way people think.

Direct save to jpeg was introduced in CS5 in 2010, to a considerable amount of fanfare. Boy, what a big hole that turned out to be. How they must regret that now that Apple made it impossible.

Up until and including CS4, you couldn't save to jpeg at all, unless the file was 8 bit, flat, with no transparency or alpha channels. You just couldn't! And that's how every other application still works. If they had just done nothing in 2010, everything would have been business as usual and nobody would have ever complained.

People's memories are really short.