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Reference point doesn't stay in desired place

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July 20, 2020
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Hello,

I need to rotate/scale a layer around a specific point so I just set the reference point at the right position. The issue is that when I loose the focus of the layer, the reference point goes back to its default place (center of the layer).

For instance I have to lose the focus when I need to lock/unlock another layer during the process.

And I will need to repeat this operation many times.

Does someone know how to avoid the automatic reset of the position of the reference point ?

Exactly like After Effects for instance.

I would be very grateful if someone had a solution because I haven't found this question yet.

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Daniele26739051a31f

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One effective approach to address this issue involves creating a shape layer that is larger than the layers intended for scaling or rotation, ensuring it is centered at the reference point. This shape layer can then be utilized as a null object for scaling the other layers. By doing so, Photoshop will consistently reference the anchor point of the larger layer, allowing for more precise control over the transformations applied to the smaller layers.

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mandla_8443

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Hey! Idk who OP is but I found a solution. Press option key on mac when selecting it and then drag it down:

How to Duplicate Objects Around a Circle EASILY in Adobe ...YouTube·Photoshop Tutorials Pejiz·11 Oct 2024YouTube

Also was struggling with this. Hopefully you all can apply it for future projects!

PECourtejoie

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Hi, Bonjour, this seems to be a default behavior, indeed, once you lose focus, you commit the change, and since the image might have been transformed, the reference points goes to the new center (or the same if no transform occured.

You cannot change the order of operations? I have a hard time to understand the lock-unlock process.

Could you maybe place guides?

Roland_Rick

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@PECourtejoie , I think, the video I posted is more than sufficient explaining what's the problem. - Please don't take it pesonally, using the Adone Help Community is nothing else as a giganic waste of time. NEVER got a solution of a problem posted. Adobe is just simply a super ignorant company. "Attention, a customer! Where can we hide?". - FYC: @Laurent_D

PECourtejoie

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Please don't take the following personally, and thanks for checking if there is a FR.

<Sarcasm>
I don't call it frustration, I call it empirical evidence, of decades of watching how Adobe is acting if it comes to Customer - Adobe relationship.

Ah, I see, the Adobe A.I. can not do an analysis of those millions of users complaints, putting it into a wave form, doing a trivial Fourier Analysis and so being able, to literally pick the most common bugs from the curves peaks.

Unused chances to easily detect the major problems and getting rid of it.

But obviously, it can easily detect and inform you ("I know this is not the first thread you are part of.") that I am kinda rebel. One of those dangerous guys obligated to the truth instead of the "elites" lies.

I being one of those preferring plain talk over political correctness, to be honest, which I hate, one of the main threats mankind is facing, it paralyses any true as well as social progress. I'm talking of true social progress and not the „woke“ hypocrisy on the pLandemic and Ukraine.

</sarcasm>

Last but not least: why doesn't Adobe, offer to choose between a subscription model or to purchase the software needed? Almost all other companies do so. I'd preferred the purchasing model.

I have not found a feature request on this particular item, you can create a thread with an explanation of exactly what you are trying to achieve, why an action to get you some other default reference point does not work in your case (I still would like to see what what meant by the activating another layer earlier) I checked, and transform again does not show a moved reference point.

The main thing to keep in mind is that changing this default behavior of resetting the transform point to the center might have lots of repercussions (Remember the attempt to change the way transform was proportionnal by default caused havoc?)

I could also change this thread to a FR, but I feel that a proper thread with a detailed explanation of why you might need to change the focus, and keep the transform point selected would be more efficient.

Laurent_DAuthor

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If it's just not doeable in these new versions I suggest to report this directly to the Adobe tech support. I cann't find the feedback/suggestion section for Photoshop though.

PECourtejoie

Community Expert

Hi, just go to the main page of Photoshop's Ecosystem forum, and select new discussion, you can select a bug report, an idea...

Roland_Rick

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Just to clarity what @Laurent_D and I am talking about:

Bojan Živković11378569

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I knew what are you both talking about.

Roland_Rick

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I have the same problem. Any solutions?

JJMack

Community Expert

How do you set a reference point to use manually with transforms? Are you settings a vertical and horizontal guide lines so you can snap to the point over the canvas? I set them all the tine using color sampler, My script can process all 10 and rotate a layer about them.

JJMack

Laurent_DAuthor

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Here is the way to set a reference point for manual transforms :

Select the layer
Ctrl+T
check the box :

But I still don't know how to keep it where it is after having lost focus.

Bojan Živković11378569

Community Expert

When you record trasform step in Photoshop action it will record and reference point. You can turn on modal [arrow is pointing to modal control in screenshot below] what will instruct Photoshop to enter free transform, set reference point to desired corner and to wait for you to further adjust transformation before finishing execution of that step. You can have only one step in action by the way, and to assign keyboard shortcut to play action. That is what comes to my mind at the moment.

Action can be even more useful if you are always doing same transformation with all your files but be careful, check everything before running batch process, if you ever come to that idea.

Roland_Rick

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Bojan, thanks for your reply, but the question/problem of @Laurent_D has nothing to do with actions. I have the same problem.

I'm in Ps 23.5.1 on a Intel Mac.

I press Cmd+T then drag the reference point to the desired position. After confirming by pressing the Enter key, the reference point jumps back to it's initial position. Is it a bug or a super hidden setting in the preferences?

Bojan Živković11378569

Community Expert

My answer is one possible workaround because things does not work as you and OP need them. Its not ideal, you can not reuse same action with layer in different position and with different dimensions but it can save time when you need to use same reference point multiple times for the same layer/object. There isn't super hidden preference settings. However, it can be also very useful if you need to rotate multiple objects or layers around same reference point in the document.

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