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Please let us Save AVIF and JPEGXL outside of camera raw, or make opening camera raw easier

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Mar 22, 2023 Mar 22, 2023

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In my campaign to try to release HDR paintings I discovered an annoyance with saving the format that might actually see broad support (thats not JXR) AVIF due to it's compression (in my test a 8GB JXL is 200kb in AVIF both HDR)

 

Then i tried to save one of these files and it took me a LONG time to figure out how, and it turns out I had to open camera raw which is split between a filter version and an entire other interface I had never used before. 

 

The simple thing is just let people normally save an AVIF like they can HDR and EXR rather than having to go through the roudabout process of opening camera raw, the other one not the one in the filter menu I guess. This is just confusing and frustrating for no reason.

 

At the very least make opening Camera Raw easier, like this old thread says.

Re: how do you open a photo in Camera Raw without ... - Adobe Support Community - 2812875

 

I don't need bridge, don't make me have bridge to open a photoshop feature, or have to save a particular file in a particular format and open it to open camera raw. This is all very confusing and I don't understand why.

 

If I have a painting, and I want to save it as an AVIF, the workflow for that is ridiculous currently.

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Mar 22, 2023 Mar 22, 2023

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Like just to point out, this is so hidden the avif website doesn't think photohop supports AVIF.

 

Photoshop AVIF support | avif.io :sparkles:

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LEGEND ,
Mar 24, 2023 Mar 24, 2023

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Have you looked at this page?

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/hdr-output.html

HDR output is currently in development. As in, not final. You can't expect it to be fully usable or in final form.

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Mar 27, 2023 Mar 27, 2023

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I assume this reply was intended to one of my other posts but yes i'm aware of this, infact OSX supports it in the normal editor. For some reason windows doesn't, it's annoying but my options are limited.

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Mar 27, 2023 Mar 27, 2023

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Hi!

What version of Photoshop are you running? While I don't have a fix for your issue, I think I can help with making it easier to open in Camera Raw. 

 

With Photoshop open, Select Open from the File menu, and select the file you want to bring in to CR. At the bottom of the dialog box (at least on my Mac) look for the Format dropdown menu. From the Format dropdown menu, select Camera Raw. This will open your file directly into Camera Raw and save you some time. See the screenshot below:

Screen Shot 2023-03-27 at 8.40.52 PM.png

Hope this makes it a little easier!

Michelle

 

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Mar 28, 2023 Mar 28, 2023

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Yes, I'm aware of this but at least on windows it's inconsistent. And it doesn't work easily for things like a painting. If i'm making a painting with HDR colors, I cannot simply save it to AVIF like any other format (besides the fact I can't even see it in HDR outside of camera raw).

 

I have to save it as a raw file (Or i guess PSD works?), then open it again. To me that process is absurd.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 28, 2023 Mar 28, 2023

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Most people do not have HDR-capable displays. And most software can't deal with HDR files. Finally, as I noted, Adobe explicitely says that support is developmental. As in, they are working on it.

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Mar 30, 2023 Mar 30, 2023

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Also the trick displayed above does not work on windows as far as i can tell. It works for some formats like raw, but not a format like HDR. 

 

I just tried cause I was tring to create an AVIF file from an HDR, and I guess i need to save it as a RAW first and then i can open it properly >:/

 

EDIT: No that doesn't work either, opening the saved RAW gives an error or opens as noise. This is really stupid.  >:/

 

EDIT2: Saving as PSD and opening that as Camera Raw also doesn't work cause it for some reason opens without the HDR color. I dunno why it's such a complicated proces just to save a file format like AVIF. This is why adoption is so low, cause the setup is stupid and frustrating for no reason.

 

TIF works though, so i'm not SoL just frustrated and annoyed.

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Mar 30, 2023 Mar 30, 2023

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quoteMost people do not have HDR-capable displays. And most software can't deal with HDR files. Finally, as I noted, Adobe explicitely says that support is developmental. As in, they are working on it.

 

Sure but this is just a lack of foresight, premire has HDR support apparently, but if you need to make HDR images for your HDR videos with Photoshop tough luck here's a bunch of complications. Broad display adoption is beside the point.

 

Like i said elsewhere people don't pay monthly for photoshop to be behind. We're maybe a year or two off from HDR monitors becomming common outside of people who use TV's for monitors like I do.

 

Also fun fact EVERY PHONE is an HDR screen, basically every single one.

 

It's dissapointing Photoshop has been so slow on this. If not for Affinity Photo being such a lackluster experience I would be using that already cause it already has display HDR on windows properly. It's just the program as a whole is just, ehh. But the format support is (mostly) way better like EXR support. 

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LEGEND ,
Mar 30, 2023 Mar 30, 2023

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Its in development. They are working on it. I'm not sure what more of an answer you want?

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