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January 23, 2025
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Suggestion to Greatly Improve Photo Merge Panorama

  • January 23, 2025
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I just found this forum so I’m not sure if this post is in the right place.  I hope that Adobe monitors this as I would love to see this idea go forward.

I am a former professional photographer who now just shoots for the love of doing it.  Back in my film days, I always was interested in panoramas, but back then, that would mean either very expensive equipment or advanced darkroom skills.

I started doing digital photography in 2003.  Later on, I learned about stitching software and began to start doing panoramas.  Over the years I learned some tricks and came up with some techniques to improve the quality.  For the past dozen or so years I have settled into using two applications, Photoshop’s Photo Merge, and Microsoft Image Composite Editor (ICE).

Note: Before DPReview went away, I learned that I am far from being the only person who uses just those two programs.

I realize that there are other Panorama apps, but they are expensive and between the two that I use, I get satisfactory results. 

I use both programs…for EVERY panorama that I stitch.  I always start with ICE and then redo the panorama in Photo Merge.  Overall, Photo Merge gives me better results, but it is a roughly 60/40 split and many times the differences are not that great.

Here’s my suggestion… Adobe should buy ICE from Microsoft and incorporate it into Photo Merge.  As Ice has not been updated or supported by Microsoft in many years, it probably would not cost too much.  The only real expense would be utilizing engineering time to ‘merge’ their software into Photoshop.

Why?

Because there are many things that ICE does significantly better than Photo Merge…

  • ICE is faster than Photo Merge.
  • ICE is more robust.  It can easily handle 100-200 image panorama or murals.  Photo Merge (in my experience, my PC) maxes out around 20-30 images.
  • ICE allows you to quickly review the difference between Perspective, Spherical, and Cylindrical while also giving you other options that Photo Merge does not give you, like Mercator, Fisheye, and Transverse.  With Photo Merge, you choose one, and if that does not work, you have to close the pano, and start all over. 
  • ICE allows you to manipulate the image by dragging up/down, left/right to remove distortion BEFORE you actually save the file.  With Photo Merge (PM), you get what you get and have to use the Camera Distortion function, later in the workflow.
  • If the initial panorama is tilted, you can also correct that before saving the file with ICE.  Again, straightening out the panorama is later in the workflow with PM.
  • With ICE, if one or more of the images does not line up well to get stitched, the application will ignore those images and stich up the rest.  With PM, you get a pop-up error and will have to close out that project and manually remove the bad image and start all over again.
  • ICE has a better successful average.  Many times, I will get a result from ICE that PM cannot do.  I have never experienced a PM pano that ICE could not do.
  • ICE does give you the option of Planar motion.  PM does not

To be fair, there are also some areas that PM does better…

  • Auto Fill.  Although about 10% of the time the Auto Fill algorithm does some seriously funky choices, this feature is a major winner for panorama photography.
  • PM does a better overall job of blending.
  • Every ICE panorama has to be finished in Photoshop.

 

From my experience, from release to release there has been some tweaking of Photo Merge Panorama.  Over time, it has gotten faster and more dependable.  BUT, it is basically the same functionality as ten years ago.  Finding a way to incorporate the ICE functionality into Photo Merge would revolutionize the Panorama feature of Photoshop.

I realize that panorama photography is a very small segment of the market.  I also realize that phones and digital cameras have panorama functionality (although very poor IMO).  BUT…from a marketing POV, Panos are sexy.  When done well, people are always drawn to them.

Adobe…please look into this.

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thomas_bredenfeld
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February 3, 2025

PS PM hasn't made major progress for at least a decade and it's a just-okay add-on to PS combined with memory management definitely not suited for a larger amount of source images. the same is valid for the very similar stitching engine in ACR and LR. MS ICE has the significant disadvantage that you can't control the app in detail. among 3rd party apps you find ptgui which is the industry standard for stitching even insanely large panoramas. it has a free (open source) sister app, based on the same roots (old panotools) and named Hugin: https://hugin.sourceforge.io. both apps, based on the panotools concept have a way better memory management with iteratively doing the stitching process and they are way more precise in correcting the lens distortion before stitching. it comes with a learning curve, but the results are worth it.

Jeff Arola
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Community Expert
January 23, 2025

If your images are shot in a Camera raw file format, you can try creating panoramas in a Adobe Camera Raw:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/create-panoramas.html

 

One thing on that page is that the images you use as a source for the panos don't have to be dngs.

 

D Fosse
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Community Expert
January 23, 2025

I don't know anything about ICE, but if it hasn't been developed in many years, it's probably a dead end. These things are built on APIs, application programming interfaces. If development stops, it's usually because the APIs and frameworks are no longer supported.

 

I will say this: Don't use Photomerge, it's a rolled-into-one combo script where you give up a lot of control. It's "easy mode". Split it up into its individual components, and you have a much better shot at controlling the final result. Stack > Auto-Align > Auto-Blend.

 

For example, the frame you put at the bottom of the stack is the reference frame that all the others align to. Straighten this, and you straighten them all.

 

Of course, prepare the files properly. Correct lens distortion and vignetting at the raw stage.

Legend
January 23, 2025

You are in the right forum "Idea". Sounds like a niche area of attempting to stitch together 100-200 images. I think the most I have done personally has been 7 or 8. Not that it means anything since I do not make a lot of panos.

Participant
January 23, 2025
The idea with panoramas seems interesting to me. I notice that viewing such a photo takes a little more time, but the impressions from it and the true enjoyment of the environment are also significantly different. Since you have time to walk more steps and the density of the environment.