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danielschellmus
Inspiring
January 4, 2018
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How to manage that two PC's share the same catalog?

  • January 4, 2018
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Photoshop elements Organiser 15

Windows 10

I have Photoshop elements installed on two different PC's

When I start the organiser on PC2 it is obviously not the same as on PC1 (For instance I have to re-tag the same persons names)

How can I manage that my two PC's share the same catalog

I tried to instal my catalogs on the cloud (OneDrive) but apparently they are different

How to arrange that?

Thank you for the help.

daniel

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8 replies

Participant
October 3, 2020

Very much thanks.  Now I understand why I can not do what I wanted to do and I have a plan: use the external drive to allow use on both computers, delete all the media files on the laptop with has limited HD space, backup intermittently somewhere (could be another external drive or use a removable internal drive on the PC.  Keep another backup in another location. 

Mark

Participant
October 1, 2020

Thanks Michael, 

I understand.  I was initially thinking of the external drive as being a way to sync the two catalogs on two computers, but understand the external drive is allowing mer to use the same catalog and media files on two computers by haveing the computers look to the external drive.  Is there a way to use Organizer to sync two computers, I could use the home network, so that if I delete a media file on the PC it will get deleted on the laptop?   I if keep a catalog on three devices should I use different names for the HD and computer catalogs, like PS Catalog Ext drive, PS Catalog PC, PS Catalog Laptop?

Thanks,!

Mark

MichelBParis
Legend
October 2, 2020

No, you can't sync like this. You can't share from a network, you can't share from the Web. That's only a (widespread) dream.

While there are ways to sync the media files library and even the catalog folder, I don't know any practical way to use the catalog.

Imagine you have created a backup and restore copy of computer A to B.

Just after the copy, A and B are in Sync.

As soon as you do any editing, they are no longer in sync.

You work for a while on A and want to update B (without a new backup and restore).

You use any sync utility (I do use Microsoft Synctoy). The media files are updated, the catalog is updated... but the catalog in B points to the files in A. All files are disconnected. And reconnecting is not easy nor fast; it's easier with Lightroom.

 

 

 

 

MichelBParis
Legend
September 30, 2020

"I want to use PS on two computers and I want each computer to have the catalog and photo files in case something happens to one of the computers. With the description of backup and restore and using external drive B for the catalog is the catalog and photo files stored on both computers AND the external drive? If I delete files from Computer A and want them deleted from Computer B will the external drive delete them from both the catalog and from the computer itself? Thanks, mb"

 

It's simple: the backup and restore process creates a working COPY of your media files and the catalog.

It does not delete anything from the original location.

You can work from the original or from the restored copy, but as soon as you edit something in a catalog, those edits are ignored by the other one. No syncing. Each catalog and files library starts its own life.

You still have the backup available to restore the situation in the original location or copy it to any other computer, drive or even master folder.

 

General workflow if you want to share as explained previously:

The original situation is kept on the original drive,

The external drive contains the copy and can be used from either computer by plugging it alternatively.

You can ignore or even delete the files and original catalog from the original drive to save space. You can restore another time from the backup folder in case of a crash on the original or destination computer.

The destination computer has no copy of the files and the catalog: it uses those on the external drive.

If you want to also have the catalog and files copied on the second computer, you can restore from the backup directly instead of, or additionally to the external drive.

 

The key reason to use an external drive is that you are always in sync when switching computers.

With an external drive, you need to back it up regularly on another external drive (or to either of your computers if you want and have enough space).

 

 

Participant
September 29, 2020

My question above also makes me wonder if I should have different names for three catalogs to make it easy to know which is which?  

Mark

MichelBParis
Legend
October 2, 2020

A catalog name should always make clear for which computer it has been created.

Participant
September 29, 2020

Thanks for the great questions and answers.  I have similar goal with more questions.  I want to use PS on two computers and I want each computer to have the catalog and photo files in case something happens to one of the computers.  With the description of backup and restore and using external drive B for the catalog is the catalog and photo files stored on both computers AND the external drive?  If I delete files from Computer A and want them deleted from Computer B will the external drive delete them from both the catalog and from the computer itself?  Thanks, mb

MichelBParis
Legend
September 10, 2020

To Sandy0001:

"I am trying to do the same thing. I have done backup from desktop to hard drive, restored to laptop from hard drive. Everything works fine. Now I am back on the desktop and I browse the hard drive for catalog and I find it. I use Manage Catalog and use Custom and click on catalog on hard drive. The only options now available to me are New or Convert and I am not sure what they do."

The other way to assign the new catalog as the current one for the organizer is:

- With the organizer closed, use the Windows explorer to find the restored catalog folder

- double click on the 'catalog.pseXXdb' which will open the organizer with the restored catalog

- next time you open the organizer, it will remember that choice and show the catalog in the 'custom' section of the catalog manager.

 

Note:

There is a bug in this forum which prevents going to the last post of the discussion and which made my two previous attemps to answer to be ignored. To continue the discussion, only click on the blue 'Answer' button under the first post of the discussion.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
September 9, 2020

This is a Test reply that is not nested.

MichelBParis
Legend
January 4, 2018

danielschellmus  wrote

Photoshop elements Organiser 15

Windows 10

I have Photoshop elements installed on two different PC's

When I start the organiser on PC2 it is obviously not the same as on PC1 (For instance I have to re-tag the same persons names)

How can I manage that my two PC's share the same catalog

I tried to instal my catalogs on the cloud (OneDrive) but apparently they are different

How to arrange that?

Thank you for the help.

daniel

The only way to share between two computers is to store both your catalog folder and your image files folder tree on an external drive that you plug in alternatively to each computer.

The best way is to create a full backup of your catalog (from the catalog manager), preferably on an external drive. Then you plug in another external drive as the destination drive, and restore on that drive on a new master folder under the root folder. Be sure to set the external drive with the same drive letter in Windows. That could work with a single drive for the backup and the restore, but it's not ideal.

danielschellmus
Inspiring
January 7, 2018

Hello

I did a full back up of the catalog on External Hard Disk 1 : HD1

However I don't understand why you propose to use two HD-s so why do you prpose to restore on HD 2

I could use HD1 on the other PC...

Thanks for the help

MichelBParis
Legend
January 12, 2018

Hello,

I have now done all the procedure which you described

Made a backup catalog on HD1

restore catalog on HD2

When I plug in HD2 in PC1 / Manage Catalog : Browse /  OK

When I plug HD2 in PC2 / Manage Catalog / Browse

I have a message : Could not open the catalog. Internal programming error.

I tried several times but it's always the same error.

Thank you for the help

Best
Daniel


danielschellmus  wrote

Hello,

I have now done all the procedure which you described

Made a backup catalog on HD1

restore catalog on HD2

When I plug in HD2 in PC1 / Manage Catalog : Browse /  OK

That means that the backup and the restore have been successful.

- your backup is ok

- the restore photo library AND the catalog are OK on the external drive. You can check that the catalog you are using is the one you are using (not the original) from the menu Help >> system Info, you can see the location of the catalog. Also, in the information panel on the right, the location of each photo file is on the external drive.

When I plug HD2 in PC2 / Manage Catalog / Browse

I have a message : Could not open the catalog. Internal programming error.

If you can open the organizer with the second computer, the message is obviously linked to the identification of the restored catalog folder. Since it' the same procedure  you successfully made with the other computer, it's not an error on your part.

The possible source of error might be the drive identification of the external drive seen by the two computers.

Say the external drive is recognized as E: in computer one, and as I: in computer two. The drive identification would be false in the second computer (see previous discussion). That's what you have to check first.

If the drive letter is different, you only have to use the Windows options to change the drive letter.

Several tutorials on how to change drive letter on your Windows 10:

Windows 10 change letter drive - Yahoo Search Results

If the letters are the same, you might try to start the organizer on the second drive by double clicking on the 'catalog.pse15db' file in the restored catalog folder.

General troubleshooting procedure:

Elements Organizer 2018 crashes on launch or while importing a catalog