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Photoshop Element Organizer label grayed out people recognition

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April 22, 2017
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In Photoshop Element Organizer v15 I launched the recognition of faces.

Overall it works well.

But some labels appear grayed out unless I understand why.

Several cases:

-In 'All people' the face is displayed and the name is written below.

Yet when I click on the label, in the section "Faces confirmed", some labels are grayed out.

This is surprising since these face are confirmed (recognized)

and that by landing on a gray label the corresponding photo (with the right face).

-In 'All people' label is gray with the name written below.

When I click on the gray label, all labels "Faces confirmed" are grayed out.

And when I ask myself on a gray label, the corresponding photo appears (with the right face).

= What is the problem?

- And how to fix it so that all the labels display correctly?

Thanks for your help

Alain

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Hiew5E75

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Greg_S.

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By "other features," I mean using the UnNamed People room to add names to stacks of recognized faces, using Don't Show Again feature to ignore faces that are not going to be named, and Confirming faces in the Named People room under the "Is this X" dialog. This, for me, is the most efficient way to tag People. I occasionally also add names in the Media grid.

As for deleting photos and importing them again to improve FR, I don't think that would be of any use. Face recognition is just that - recognizing a face within a photo and identifying its size and location within a photo. Adding a name to a face does not change the program's ability to recognize whether or not there is a face in the photo. Nor does deleting and reimporting a photo after another recognized face of the same person has been identified improve the process. As I understand it, once you add a name to a stack of photos, if you open the Add Name text box of another stack of the same person, a name/names will be auto-suggested for that person. Also, in this situation, if you go to the Named People room, there may be a blue triangle next to the identified person's stack, and if you open that named person's stack, you will see suggestions of other photos of that person ready for confirmation. Those "is this X" confirmations are for photos that the program now thinks is the same person based on your naming that person. If you confirm the face here, the same photo of that person will be removed from a stack in the UnNamed People room.

The only reason I can think of for deleting and reimporting a set of photos is if you have mistakenly hit the Don't Show Again button/command. In that case, the face will be removed from consideration as a recognized face and would need to be imported again for the face to be recognized. (Or the Mark Face tool can be used to add the face manually.)

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Neb1

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Thanks for your fast response.

Greg_S. said:

By "other features," I mean [...]

Good to hear, as this means that I am already using all the features that FR offers and that help FR in automatically recognizing as many pictures as possible.

Greg_S. said:

I occasionally also add names in the Media grid.

OK, this might explain our different perception of how much the user has to spend for marking faces. I understood from earlier posts in this thread that adding names in the Media grid is not the ideal solutions as this leads to grayed out icons and does not improve the algorithm's skills (via self-learning) so I understood the only "true" option is Mark Face, which takes orders of magnitude longer than plain taggingof (multiple) pictures in the media grid.

Greg_S. said:

Face recognition is just that - recognizing a face within a photo and identifying its size and location within a photo. Adding a name to a face does not change the program's ability to recognize whether or not there is a face in the photo.

Just to avoid misunderstandings: In my step 2 with "manual marking of faces not recognized" I was not referring to tagging in the media grid but to Marking Faces. In this process you tell the program the "size and location" of a face within a picture just as you wrote and not just simply adding a name to picture. Given your earlier sentence "Yes, the algorithm is self-learning. The more faces you confirm of a single person, the more FR recognizes that person." it is not obvious to me why you think that the 5 steps given above should not lead to better FR results, as you could regard the Mark Face thing also as a "confirmation" in your words that person X is in this picture which should help the FR algorithm, shouldn't it?

Greg_S.

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I understood from earlier posts in this thread that adding names in the Media grid is not the ideal solutions as this leads to grayed out icons and does not improve the algorithm's skills (via self-learning) so I understood the only "true" option is Mark Face, which takes orders of magnitude longer than plain taggingof (multiple) pictures in the media grid.

There is also the option to hover over a recognized face in the grid and add a name there.

you could regard the Mark Face thing also as a "confirmation" in your words that person X is in this picture which should help the FR algorithm, shouldn't it?

It seems to me that you only need to use Mark Face when the program can't even recognize that a face exists in the photo. This can be for a variety of reasons, including lighting and shadows, the angle of the face/body, glasses or goggles, hats and scarves - and in this day and age: face masks. So adding a name to something that the program only sees as an unidentified blob does not necessarily mean that the algorithm will identify another blob as a face and certainly not a face belonging to X. Perhaps AI does a better job than I think. But I can't imagine that it is relying on users repeatedly deleting and importing the same set of photos.

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Anwesha Dev Chaudhary

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Can you please attach a screenshot highlighting the issue?

Are you working in Named view or Unnamed view?

Thanks,

Anwesha

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alainclnAuthor

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Below, screenshot highlighting the issue.

I'm working in Named View

Greg_S.

Community Expert

I'm currently facing the same issue with Adobe Photoshop Elements Organizer 2020, also in Named View. In another thread, it broken down to having used face recognition in an earlier version of the software, which is not the case for me. (2020 is the first version I bought and I haven't used any other software on the all the pictures currently in the catalog before.)

So, are there any updates on this issue?

Thank you very much in advance,

Ben

Ben, please describe everything you have done to name faces.

How many photos in your catalog?

Has face recognition completed? The status of face recognition should show in the lower right corner of the status bar in the Media grid.

Have you named any faces by dragging a name to the image in the Media grid, rather than naming faces in the People tab?

Please give us a screenshot of what you are seeing.

And just to be clear about no other software touching the files, do any of the images come from a phone?

Finally, what OS are you using?

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