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I keep my photo files on an external, RAID 1 hard drive.  I recently backed up all my catalogs, to a different USB drive.  Now, my operating system has bee reinstalled.  I've reinstalled Elements/Premiere Elements 2021.  Now, when I ran "restore catalog" on one stored catalog, it restored not only the catalog to my computer, but ALSO all the associated photo files!  I don't want the large photo files on this computer, only the catalog with its thumbnails.  I want those restored catalog thumbnails to connect (as always) with the stored image files, on the RAID external drive.  PLEASE --- how can I import only the catalogs to the computer, NOT the actual photo files, and have the catalogs access the externally stored photo files, as usual.  PLEASE, HELP!!!!  I don't know how to correctly accomplish this.

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I keep my photo files on an external, RAID 1 hard drive.  I recently backed up all my catalogs, to a different USB drive.  Now, my operating system has bee reinstalled.  I've reinstalled Elements/Premiere Elements 2021.  Now, when I ran "restore catalog" on one stored catalog, it restored not only the catalog to my computer, but ALSO all the associated photo files!  I don't want the large photo files on this computer, only the catalog with its thumbnails.  I want those restored catalog thumbnails to connect (as always) with the stored image files, on the RAID external drive.  PLEASE --- how can I import only the catalogs to the computer, NOT the actual photo files, and have the catalogs access the externally stored photo files, as usual.  PLEASE, HELP!!!!  I don't know how to correctly accomplish this.

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Part of your question has been answered in your other thread.  Reading your two threads, it is not clear what you are trying to do.  It appears that you have made a backup of some of your (multiple?) catalogs (without media) via the Organizer, which can only be done in version 2021.  But, it also sounds like you have tried to restore a full backup (with media).  Was this from a different version?

 

In any event, you can simply copy the catalog only folder to wherever you want on your computer (e.g. the default location described in your other thread).  No need to restore a backup - simply copy the folder using Windows File Explorer.  The location of your catalog folder is described in the other thread.

 

Assuming that you have not changed the drive letters for your external RAID drive on your reinstalled OS, the catalogs will all refer to the correct location on your RAID drive.

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Just to clarfiy my earlier post, I assume you have a backup or copy of all of your data from your old OS installation and that you can restore or copy that data to your new installation.  If all you have is the Organizer's backup, then restoration of  the full backup of catalog and media will point to the new location of the media files. 

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I think I follow, must digest this.  I made a backup of my several catalogs to an external drive, with the photo storage RAID 1 drive connected, thus the catalog backups are the catalog (thumbnails) WITH the actual photo files (which was unintended, I only wanted the catalog/thumbnails backed up).  I want to only restore the catalogs (thumbnails, only) to the new system, having it once again connect to the photos in the external storage drive.  From you answer, I think I see two solutions:  your method, copy/paste the "catalog only" folder, to a location on the new computer system.  This seems fine, long as the catalog still connects to the stored photo files (WITHOUT "reconnect missing files" --- I do NOT want this to be used;  long ago, when used, this function only caused massive corruption of the files/catalog --- I don't trust it).

 

I already had restored one catalog to this new operating system/Elements 2021, to discover the massive transfer, of the catalog AND all the image files.  I don't want this amount of date on the computer.  How can I clear/delete it, and start again?

 

Another idea I just had:  when Microsoft did a clean install of the updated operating system, a "windows.old" location was created, with all my old files/folders.  Perhaps, I could retreive the catalogs from there, and place them into the new operating system?  Would that work?  Any advantage to using this method?

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@josephunit2n 

First, it's absolutely impossible for the automatic catalog structure backup to also restore image files because they can't be in the backup folder. So what you are seeing is image files that were already there before the restore. Just have in mind the time needed to backup the structure (the contents of the catalog folder minus the thumbnail cache) compared to the time needed to backup also the media files.

For my full backup of 100 000 items and 650 GB, 4 hours.

For a manual copy of the catalog folder as suggested by Greg: 2 minutes

For an automatic structure backup when closing the organizer: 3 minutes including a catalog repair

For the backup menu option to restore only the structure, more than 10 minutes including preparation, backup size calculation and choice of the location of the backup.

 

Where are the backup folders?

You have chosen the backup menu option. Go to the folder you have mentionned.

Same if you have made a simple copy of the catalog folder as rightly explained by Greg.

The automatic backups are in the same hidden location as the default catalogs in their own subfolder  _AutoBackup_.

 

In all cases, what you see is the normal contents of the catalog folder.

What is curious is the way the backup menu creates a folder containing two things: a subfolder with the simple copy of the catalog folder minus the thumbnail cache and a .tly file with only a text saying 'structure only'. No sign of any media files like in a normal backup folder.

 

I do not see any advantage for using the backup menu unless you are not at ease with finding the catalog and copying it where you want. The automatic backup when exiting is fine for me. I can skip it or not.

 

You may have seen the warning that, after restore to another computer or drive, you may have to 'reconnect' the missing files. I have never been able to do it with a normal sized catalog. That's why you should use your the full backup with image files solutions at regular intervals. The structure (=catalog only) backup protects you against loss or corruption of the catalog only. If you raid drive is stolen or broken or if you want to migrate to a new one what will happen? All files will be disconnected.

 

 

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Thanks for your interest and response.  I'm not a technical person, and am having diffuculty defining a correct path to solving this problem, from the replies posted.  First, yes, my backups are full backups, not the "auto backup" run upon program exit. I see your point, that I should continue to make these backups, complete with the photo files.

 

To solve my current problem, I THINK I see a path to take, from these answers, however, I would like a clear, step by step process.  Again, I have saved full catalog backups on an external drive (with photo files).  From these, I want to restore to my Elements, to my computer, ONLY the catalog (NOT the photo files), which when done, must behave as always, that is, the thumbnails will correctly connect with the saved photo files --- in the NORMAL location, the RAID 1 drive, NOT to the photo files in the backup, which is on a different external drive.  To be certain I execute correctly, would you give the precise steps/information?  That is, where do I find the catalog file or folder in the backup?  Exactly what file or folder do I copy?  Then, where in the new computer operating system, do I "paste" that folder (such that Elements will show it in "manage catalogs")?

 

To reiterate:  once this process is done, will the catalogs' thumbnails once again connect with the photo files saved in my RAID 1 drive, as always, OR will the catalog somehow be "reprogrammed" to now connect only with the photo files in the other drive, where the complete backups reside, from where I just "copied" the catalog file?

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I'll add, I have about 6 catalogs to deal with, many thousands of photos, mine and my wife's.  I cannot afford a mistake.  I must not introduce corruption into the file system.  This is why I ask for clear, step by step instructions.

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Hi Joseph,

 

Thanks for reaching out to Adobe forums.

You might have taken Full backup of your catalog. That’s why it restored all your photos along with the catalog. If you wish to restore only the catalog, you have to select ‘Backup Catalog Structure’(the first option) while taking backup from backup wizard. It will backup only your catalog & will skip the media backup. On restore, you will have to reconnect your files if they show missing. Please note, thumbnails are re-generated while restoring your catalog only backup.

Please let us know if you need help with any other information.

 

Thanks,

Yachika

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@josephunit2n 

I'll add, I have about 6 catalogs to deal with, many thousands of photos, mine and my wife's. I cannot afford a mistake. I must not introduce corruption into the file system. This is why I ask for clear, step by step instructions.

 

Ok, the first step, which is not at all desctructive or dangerous is to locate ALL your catalogs and to look at what they contain.

A catalog is a folder containing a database named 'catalog.pseXXdb'. XX is the version number, for instance 19 for your PSE2021; it also contains other subfolders and accessory files. A catalog folder can be duplicated or moved elsewhere (in 'custom' location). As already stated, you find the location of that folder from the Help >> system Information menu when you are in a given catalog.

So, you can search for the location of each catalog, you can have a look at what is in the folders, you can use the Explorer to move or to copy the whole folder, and the moved or copied catalog will still work the same, even if it is copied or moved in another drive.

Be sure to locate each catalog. If the 'catalog.pseXXdb' is not catalog.pse19db, that's an older catalog which will have to be converted for use with your current PSE version.

Please report back when you are ready or if you need more help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you so much for your effort!  After "sleeping on it", I have a new perspective to solve this.  I state it here for your review.  Please, stop me if you see a flaw.  I now realize the catalogs I saved to external drive with photos, using "back up catalog" in Elements, if restored, bring the huge data dump of the photos on to this computer, which I do not want.  Further, if there is a way (I'm not clear on this) of just importing those save catalogs, sans photos, those thumbnails will link back to the backup storage location, which I also do not want.  As I see it, THE SOLUTION:  I have an entire disc image saved  to an external drive, saved before the operating system was reinstalled, when Elements funtioned perfectly.  I must recover from that saved image, the Elements catalogs (above, I was given the path:  C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Elements Organizer\Catalogs ) and restore them to the same location in the current system/Elements.  THEN, I expect them to be recognized/available in Elements "manage catalogs", and I expect all their thumnails to again link correctly to the photo files saved in the external RAID 1 drive, as in the past.  That is my plan.  Do you agree this is correct, and almost the only way to get the job done?  As I proceed, I will be reassured, if I can see your confirmation.

 

Further, I have already imported one of the catalogs WITH photo files, into the new Elements, and I believe my first step must be to remove/delete it (as I will be again importing that same catalog without photo files, from the saved disc image).  I read in Adobe "Help" that I must first create a catalog (a "dummy" catalog, I guess), before the "Remove" button in Manage Catalogs will become active.  Therefore, I will create a dummy catalog (I must read further, how to do that), then remove/delete the present catalog, then proceed with the plan I described, to import catalogs from the saved disc image (before operating system replacement).  Do you agree this is a good plan?  If so, next I must get some support help from the "backup image" software provider, to guide the recovery of the earlier Elements catalogs.

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Also, please confirm:  if I procede as described, after creating a dummy catalog and using the "Remove" button in Manage Catalogs --- since the catalog I restored had all the actual photo files attached, also imported into my computer,  will that Remove delete the thousands of attached photo files, as well as the catalog, itself?

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I need those photo files gone from the computer.

 

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As I see it, THE SOLUTION: I have an entire disc image saved to an external drive, saved before the operating system was reinstalled, when Elements funtioned perfectly. I must recover from that saved image, the Elements catalogs (above, I was given the path: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Elements Organizer\Catalogs )...

 

Yes, you have to find that original catalog FOLDER.

 

...and restore them to the same location in the current system/Elements.

 

No. You are free to restore (= copy it) it in the same default location OR anywhere else, in the computer, the NAS or any external or internal drive. The catalog contents don't change when the catalog is moved. If you have a catalog of the Louvre Museum, you can take it with you and it will always show you the same paintings and their location in the various rooms wherever you are.

 

THEN, I expect them to be recognized/available in Elements "manage catalogs", and I expect all their thumnails to again link correctly to the photo files saved in the external RAID 1 drive, as in the past. That is my plan. Do you agree this is correct, and almost the only way to get the job done? As I proceed, I will be reassured, if I can see your confirmation.

 

To be precise, the catalog is built on a database, a kind of super Excel spreadsheet which stores all the information about your files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/elements-organizer/user-guide.html/elements-organizer/using/creating-editing...

Each media file has its own record with a link to the location of the media file on your drive (drive identification plus hierarchical path). A thumbnail cache is associated to the catalog database. It does not contain links to your files on the disk, only to the record number in the database. The thumbnail cache is not needed in a restore because it will be rebuilt automatically when the media files themselves are restored. (The automatic catalog structure backup in PSE2021 does not store the thumbnail cache which takes too much disk space, it rebuilds it).

 

So, you are right that the only solution is to recover the catalog folder, copy and paste it in the original location or elsewhere.

Then, the catalog manager will allow you to browse to the location of the copied catalog folder.

Or, simpler, you double click on the 'catalog.pse18db' database file and it will open the organizer with the catalog.

 

 

 

 

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Also, please confirm: if I procede as described, after creating a dummy catalog and using the "Remove" button in Manage Catalogs --- since the catalog I restored had all the actual photo files attached, also imported into my computer, will that Remove delete the thousands of attached photo files, as well as the catalog, itself?

 

No, deleting the catalog does not delete the restored media files.

You'll have to delete them manually from the explorer.

Theoretically, before deleting the catalog, you can use the organizer to delete from catalog AND also check the option to 'also delete from disk', but it's terribly slow and will fail if you delete too many files at a time.

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Great!  I think I'm good to go, begin this process.  I believe this approach will work as expected.  The only part not crystal clear, and likely only because you use a more technical description I don't completely follow, is:

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THEN, I expect them to be recognized/available in Elements "manage catalogs", and I expect all their thumnails to again link correctly to the photo files saved in the external RAID 1 drive, as in the past. That is my plan. Do you agree this is correct, and almost the only way to get the job done? As I proceed, I will be reassured, if I can see your confirmation.

 

To be precise, the catalog is built on a database, a kind of super Excel spreadsheet which stores all the information about your files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/elements-organizer/user-guide.html/elements-organizer/using/creating-editing...

Each media file has its own record with a link to the location of the media file on your drive (drive identification plus hierarchical path). A thumbnail cache is associated to the catalog database. It does not contain links to your files on the disk, only to the record number in the database. The thumbnail cache is not needed in a restore because it will be rebuilt automatically when the media files themselves are restored. (The automatic catalog structure backup in PSE2021 does not store the thumbnail cache which takes too much disk space, it rebuilds it)."

 

In more simple terms, if I can restore the catalog folders to their original location ---- will the Organizer then perform as in the past?  When I select a thumbnail and click "full screen view", will the photo file (stored in the RAID 1 drive) open, as always?  I believe so.  Please, if so, just confirm and my work begins.

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In more simple terms, if I can restore the catalog folders to their original location ---- will the Organizer then perform as in the past? When I select a thumbnail and click "full screen view", will the photo file (stored in the RAID 1 drive) open, as always? I believe so. Please, if so, just confirm and my work begins.

 

Yes, the catalog will work exactly the same.

My  remark about the thumbnail cache applies only to users of the 2021 version using the automatic catalog structure backup. To make the 'backup' very fast and to save disk space, the thumbnail cache is not saved since it can be automatically rebuilt. If you copy the whole catalog folder for your backup, the thumbnail cache will be kept.

If the thumbnail cache has to be rebuilt, you only may have to wait a little longer for the thumbnail to be displayed full resolution in full screen or to browse pages with many thumbnails. Full rebuilding of the thumbnail cache may require a few hours for a big library, but the files you are browsing have their thumbnails rebuilt in priority. You can work normally before it's completely rebuilt.

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You have my sincere appreciation for the time, patience, and thorough knowledge you have provided.  Your attention to this issue has been invaluable for me, providing assurance the solution to this critical problem is not flawed.  Now, I will begin.  

 

Take care, stay well!!

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HELP!!!

I successfully recovered the 7 catalogs from the computer image saved before operating system reinstall, first saved them to a desktop folder, then copied them to the default location:

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Elements Organizer\Catalogs

I connected the RAID 1 storage drive.

I opened Elements organizer, "manage catalogs"\

These did not appear.  I used Browse, found them, clicked "ok" on one, or all, not sure ---  the dialoge to "optimize" appeared, and I selected the first catalog, clicked, and the process ran, ended with "failure"

 

Closed that dialoge.  The catalog appreared in Manage Catalogs, I opened it --- all thumbnails did appear, but when I selected one, for "view in full screen", the "reconnect missing files" window appeared!!

I'm at a loss, and distressed.

How will I proceed?

 

 

 

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Further:  I still have the recovered catalogs in a desktop folder (from which I "copied" them all to the default Elements location).  I could delete it all from Elements, and begin again, if mistakes were made.  I doubt this, but does the existance of the catalogs in dual locations on this computer contribute to the problem?

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I just tried that option:  I deleted all the catalogs I had installed, from the Elements location;  I then deleted the one new catalog that had been created -- thus, Elements back to its original "empty" state;  I used your suggestion, double clicked on ("Or, simpler, you double click on the 'catalog.pse18db' database file) this, for one catalog, which is saved in a desktop folder.  Windows asked what program I wanted to use to open this file, and I selected "Elements Organizer".  Elements opened (not perfectly sure right now, if Organizer or Editor opened --- maybe both) and there were no thumbnails, no images, instead an error/failure message window.  My fault, I did not copy down that failure message.

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I have read the posts from yesterday evening. What you have reported is normal about the use of moving, copying, backing up of Catalog folders, but you have a 'reconnecting' issue which may be due to the way the RAID network drive is connected to your new computer. I don't use network drives myself and I don't recommend them, but that will need new questions to troubleshoot the issue. The main question I have now is if the message clearly specify 'disconnected' / 'missing' files or 'offline' drive. Maybe other users with network drives can help you. I'll try to give more detailed questions in a while.

 

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Is the RAID NAS recognized as the same drive letter as before in Windows?

In the organizer, if you look at the info panel on the right, you should read where the organizer thinks the disconnected file is located.

In previous discussions about NAS drives the problem was that the images appeared 'offline' which is solved otherwise than with the 'reconnect' command.

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Thank you for your continued support.  First, the RAID drive is USB connected, not a network drive.  Regardless, I devised a different solution to this problem, which has worked!!!  As mentioned earlier, I have recent full backups of all these catalogs in another USB drive.  Initially, when I restored one catalog, I was horrified at the huge data dump, as all actual photo files were downloaded to my computer (> 300GB), which I don't want, and consider degrading to the 2TB SSD of the computer.

 

I deleted all those photo files from computer.  I deleted that catalog from computer.  I again "restored" all the externally stored catalogs, but discovered I could direct the storage location, and I restored to the RAID 1 USB drive, where I have always stored the photo files.  This worked perfectly.  I saved these to a new folder in that drive, and I guess I'll delete the folders where the linked photo files have been originally stored.  I consider this PROBLEM SOLVED!

 

Further, (just F.Y.I.), after restoring one catalog, I found over 50 photos missing (thumbnails - without images - could not find/connect to photo files).  When I backed up/saved the catalog, a dialog appeared warning some photos were missing, asking me to use the "Reconnect" function, which I did not use.  I never use it, as I don't trust it, long ago had a terrible experience where using it corrupted an entire catalog, to the point where I had to manually rebuild that catalog, photo - by - photo.  I choose to ignore the message, losing a few photos, if necessary.  In this case, I didn't realize that many were involved, although I'll never know for sure if the photos lost were due to the "Reconnect" issue, or to another discovery found two days ago:  that external storage drive has failed drive tests I ran, in two different test applications, showing a "mild" state of disfunction, possibly a bad sector.  I don't know if this introduced some sort of data loss to that catalog.  Nevertheless, I have on order a new USB drive, an 8TB RAID 1 unit (2 x 8TB drives, mirrored), where I will save all new catalog backups, as well as other backups (saved disc images of two computers, phone backups, and more).

 

Again, many thanks.  Stay well, stay safe.

Regarding long term storage/cataloging/access to our photos, Elements has always made me nervous.  In that vein, I also follow the advice of a widely published "expert" on Elements, to stop a catalog at around 5k images and start a new catalog.

 

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@josephunit2n said:

Regarding long term storage/cataloging/access to our photos, Elements has always made me nervous. In that vein, I also follow the advice of a widely published "expert" on Elements, to stop a catalog at around 5k images and start a new catalog.

To each his own, but that makes no sense to me whatsoever.  It defeats the whole idea of the Organizer.  I use only one catalog for all my photos and videos.  My catalog is approaching 200K media files and I have never had a problem except for some self-inflicted wounds.

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Yes, I understand there is no theoretical limit.  For me, it's just an extra precaution.  In case of catalog corruption, it will limit the damage.  Another "advice" I continue to follow, given long ago, when I had to manually rebuild a catalog, is to save all photos with keyword tags attached (I run the command to add to the image file data).  Even though I like these, would use them anyway, I was told doing so would greatly ease the task of rebuilding a catalog, should that ever again become necessary.

 

Thanks for your interest!

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You are living very dangerously following the advice of this 'expert'.

For me, it's just an extra precaution. In case of catalog corruption, it will limit the damage. Another "advice" I continue to follow, given long ago, when I had to manually rebuild a catalog, is to save all photos with keyword tags attached (I run the command to add to the image file data). Even though I like these, would use them anyway, I was told doing so would greatly ease the task of rebuilding a catalog, should that ever again become necessary.

 

The main problem here is that most PSE experts are really PSE are only experts in the editor (they are also Photoshop experts, and most of them don't tell you that they are really using Lightroom or other softwares for organizing).

The only organizer super expert that I do recognize, John R Ellis, has left the boat after PSE8. His faqs are still a treasure and he strongly recommends using a single catalog.

https://johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Splitting_and_rearranging

(John R Ellis is still a top expert in the feedback forum about metadata management and Lightroom which he is using now.)

On the other hand, splitting catalogs or not is not specific to the organizer, it's the same for any management system based on catalogs like Lightroom. It is very clear that some LR pro users like wedding photogs find it easier to have a catalog for each event, but most other pros as well as advanced amateurs prefer a single catalog.

So, without recognized Organizer experts, you'll have to trust other experienced users like Greg and me. We have dealt in this forum with hundreds of cases where splitting catalogs has created awful situations especially when restoring. Apart from the above dangers when restoring, splitting catalogs makes the management and searches much less efficient, especially smart searches available in new versions.

 

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This all reminds me, very soon I really should delete the entire body of photo files that were linked to the Organizer thumbnails before the reinstallation of Elements, stored in a seperate folder from the current, linked, photo files (a duplication of the same files), all on the same external USB RAID 1 drive set.  I've only hesitated a bit to delete, until I feel secure my "restoration" is healthy, functioning perfectly.  Perhaps only superstition, I want that duplicate set of photo files deleted, because I only want ONE file of a given photo, on this drive (as well as to recover disc space).  I worry that otherwise, the possibility of inadvertantly linking to the WRONG folder location for a given photo, exists.  Once the new drive on order arrives, I will create new, complete catalog backups to the new drive.  This will create seperate, duplicate storage of the photos files, for safety/security, but on a different external drive.

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That's a wise decision. Considering your whole photo files collection together with your organization system is crucial for safety and ability to stay in the future for your family and friends. Photos without comments or ways to search them are doomed in this digital era where we'll transmit hundreds of thousands of files. Keeping your libraries together with catalogs on various media (and locations) is safer than using the most advanced storing system in a single location. Even the Cloud can't be considered 100% safe. There was a fire in an appartment just over the next one to ours. Imagine such thing and my computers and backup drives in such situation. I always keep a backup in another country home; I advise keeping an external drive stored by your children or at the bank.

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