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Now in Beta: Introducing Text-Based Editing in Premiere Pro

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February 3, 2023
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I am pleased to introduce you to Text-Based Editing in Premiere Pro (Beta), which makes assembling a rough cut as simple as editing a Word document. Transcribe your footage upon import, search for key moments, cut and paste sentences, and watch the clips in your timeline follow your edits.

We’ve been working hard on Text-Based Editing, and we want your feedback.

How Does Text-Based Editing Work?

Text-Based Editing is available in the Premiere Pro (Beta) which you can download and install separately from the current Premiere Pro release.

Because Text-Based Editing is a new way of working in Premiere Pro (Beta), we have created a Text-Based Editing Workspace which provides more screen real estate for the Text Panel and places the Source Monitor and Program Monitor in the same window.

Watch this tutorial to learn how to:

Transcribe your footage for Text-Based Editing
Set up the Text-Based Editing Workspace
Search for key moments
Do 3-Point Editing (Insert content from Source to Sequence)
Do Sequence Editing
Change font size and look for pauses

We want to hear from you!

You can provide your comments below, but we would also love to fill out this survey. Please share this post with your colleagues or friends so we can improve Text-Based Editing before launch.

Use these familiar keyboard shortcuts to edit your video in the Text Panel

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Firdaus31164793it54

New Participant

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ygourvennec

Participating Frequently

I have given it a try and I have found out to be an invaluable addition to Premiere barring a few missing features.
On simple straighforward footage, even with a dual soundtrack, it works beautifully.
Yet, as spotted by some users in the above comments, this isn't applicable to multicam.

This is a bummer but there is a workaround as stated above, I tried it and it worked.

1/ I imported all my footage and synced all video and audio tracks, chose the right language etc.

2/ Automatic transcript worked fine

3/ I then proceeded to edit the multicam shooting for the entirety of the video

4/ I nested all the video tracks. The effect is that it glues all tracks together, there is no coming back (you'd rather not screw up with step 3)

5/ I went on with text-based editing and the final result therefore keeps my two cameras while only retaining just the text that I'm interested in.

In conclusion, it was pretty useful even though I wasted a lot of time before I found the above suggestion about the nesting of video tracks. I found out that T-B editing does a very decent job and is even, most of the time, doing a better and cleaner job than manual editing. Sometimes I used it the other way round, I found out that in some cases it was easier to point inside the track and check within the transcript that I was editing in the right place. It proved more accurate that way in more than one instance. Sometimes I had issues with the sound being cut a bit abruptly but I managed to stitch everything up with the proper audio transition.

Bottom-line, it saves time on simple straightforward vids with just one camera, it increases efficiency on multicam but saves maybe only 20% of the overall editing time. But it makes reordering subsequences far easier and that's really a plus.

Hope it helps.

melissas31696053

New Participant

Very excited about this feature. I am experiencing several bugs - mainly that the search function on the text based editor seems to get stuck and stops working. I have been having to exit out, save, close, reopen to get it unstuck. The other thing that I noticed is that when I change the time code via interpret footage on the clip (so it starts at 0), it doesn't not update the transcription timecode.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

melissa,

Welcome to the Beta forum. I have not experienced the search bug. What do you see as the pattern? Search only; replacing? Dozens of searches before it happens, or only a few.

I think you will have to re-transcribe after you change the timecode. Is this source media, static sequence, or both?

FYI, when reporting a potential bug in the Beta forum, click the "Provide Feedback" icon in the upper right, then pick copy system info and post, and it will take you to a bug report in this forum. You don't have to use that post, you can post your info in any thread. For example, below is what I get. It gives you my basic hardware configuration and the specific Beta build. Builds come out almost daily, so it is important information.

Stan

Steps to reproduce:
    1. ...
 
Result: ...
Expected: ...
 
System info
    Application: Premiere Pro (Beta) v23.5.0.24
    OS: Windows v10.0.19045, RAM: 63.80 GB GB, CPUs (logical): 16

middlekid

Participating Frequently

The timing of this feature couldn't be better except I am having trouble implementing it on an existing project.

It seems to be stuck at generating a 'Text-based editing transcript.' It shows the WAV it's looking to transcribe and says 'estimated' but that's about it. Also, I have had my clips already transcribed using a 3rd party app and was wondering if I can used the already created and corrected transcripts along with this?

middlekid

Participating Frequently

Just to add: Premiere finally generated a dynamic transcript however the [...] pauses it generates are really long and encompass massive amounts of dialog. The highlighted example below is 228.9 seconds long and as you can see in the timeline there is audio.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

middlekid,

When you hover over a pause, how many seconds does it say? You have soloed A1, and have many other audio tracks. Is there anything on any of those?

When I look at pauses, they are behaving properly, and mark the correct amount of the sequence.

No, so far, you can't import an independent transcript.

Stan

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woutkoot

Participating Frequently

Great feature overall. I just wanted to say that most of the time, an interview is shot in multiple camera angles. I just synced my A and B cam and transcribed the sequence. Now I am not able to cut, delete or do other things in the text-based editing window. If I select text, it will only select the text from one layer. It would be a great feature if I would be able to use the cut, copy, paste and delete functions on multiple cams.

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MisterAdvent

Inspiring

Did you transcribe the multicam sequence when nested in the timeline, or did you transcribe the A-roll in the expanded multicam (layered) sequence?

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MisterAdvent

Inspiring

I found that if you've synced up your footage and transcribed the "A" roll (the one with primary audio), you can cut and paste within the source sequence, and the B-roll follows. It copies all tracks, and ripple deletes all cuts. I haven't tested if you can transcribe a multicam sequence and cut/paste there. It would be good if you could.

I guess if I were doing a multicam sequence now, I'd do my rough edit (for content) in the source sequence, then go to the multicam sequence for shot selection and finishing.

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Dustin27863757zbl0

Participating Frequently

This looks promising, but I could be missing something.

I don't start with raw footage when I'm starting to dig in to an interview. My process is (ideally):

Ingest media into project (either OCM or proxies)
Sync multicams if applicable
Make a TRIM sequence for each interviewee, add their multicam and then trim out the interviewer questions
Some projects I'll make a SLX sequences next if I know there's some stuff we won't or can't use, so I never have to see it again.
ONLY THEN, do I make a transcription, and in the past this has been helpful because sometimes I'll export or print out the transcript to share with my producers and we'll mark it up and it's not that hard to make the paper cut in the timeline since the timecodes are all inline in the transcript.

This workflow seems to bypass all that and wants you to just start with a transcript of your OCM files. That don't fly with me, to sum up.

Also, having the transcript built from the timline seems like the inverse of what I really want. I want the timeline built from the transcript. When I first heard about this I thought it was just a copy of Descript, but right in Premiere so I could chop up multicams seamlessy. Descript wants you to use their app to make multicams which is a non-starter for me.

In summary, I'd rather be able to edit the transcript and have the timeline reflect those changes, rather than just use the transcript as a selction tool for a regular insert/overwrite workflow.

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Dustin27863757zbl0

Participating Frequently

(couln't find the edit button) for clarity, my goal with transcripts is to make them as short as possible. Yes, I want it to include anything we could possibly use, but sometimes for legal reasons, sometimes just for lack of time, I don't want to transcribe or look back on anything I know we can't or won't use.

Kyle Koch True North APPE

Community Expert

I’m working on a project using the beta build 23.4. The reason I’m working beta is use the text-driven edit function (which looks awesome BTW!)

When it doesn't crash, I get this error:
No dialogue found
To enable transcription services, your audio must contain unmuted verbal dialogue.

After a week of trying to figure why it wasn’t creating source file transcripts, I’ve discovered a possible reason:

The sources have 4 tracks of audio.

1 - Nothing

2 - sync (camera mic)

3 - sync (lav) BEST SOURCE

4 - sync (boom)

I tried soloing track 3 in Premiere - no dice.

I tried modify/audio channels on the clip via Premiere Project Bin, reducing channels to a single source - no dice.

After creating an intermediate file with a single mono audio track, it does work.

So … I suspect that the when the transcript is created, it uses Track 1 of the audio. With 4 (track 1 silent), the process doesn’t seem to see audio.

Something else to consider ... all the assets were brought in and trancription created. Its a lot of work done already, including correction to the text. Is there any way to use the current assets without having to reimport everything?

If I have to reimport the assets in order for the source files to have dynamic transcripts, is there an easy way to strip audio channels off a ProRes422 source file without transcoding?

I would deeply appreciate some support on this.

Thanks for all your hard work!

Mac OS Ventura 12.6.4

MBPro 2017

Stan Jones

Community Expert

TrueNorth,

Occasionally, there may be multiple builds per day, so be sure to report the actual build number. I'm updating to the latest as of this morning, Beta 23.4.0 Build 44. Bugs often creep in and are then quickly fixed.

I've encountered the dilemma of "No dialogue found" a lot in the Betas. I have not found a reliable pattern. But my guess is that it is not the audio channels, but you need to be clear which audio track(s) you are using for the transcription. The default is "mix." You can also specify a particular track, or the track labeled "dialogue."

I'll try to take a look at what I am seeing when I get the latest installed.

Stan

Kyle Koch True North APPE

Community Expert

Hi Stan,

Thanks for the feedback.

I designated the as 3 and it didn't work. I soloed 3, unsoloed 3, removed all other tracks, used bin/modify/audio and assigned source to only use channel 3 ... I tried every option. No single parameter or combined parameters would change the result. I also cleared cache (all files).

What has made it work is using EditReady to rewrap the file and strip out blank audio (track 1).

I suspect that the tool, when it goes to add editble text to the clip, requires track 1 to have audio.

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Bullcrunch

New Participant

I'm an inexperienced editor, so when I learned about Text-Based Editing, I leaped on it (why spend time learning old-fashioned editing). When I open a project created in Premiere Pro 23.2.0 (Build 69) in 23.4.0 BETA (Build 33), I see a warning that my captions are invalid. I'll edit this older project in the release version. I am just letting you know about my experience.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Bullcrunch,

Thanks for posting. I gave this a go: I am now on Build 37. I was able to import a project created in 23.2, and I saw no warning about invalid captions. One strategy for using a project such as yours is to create a new project in the newer/Beta version, and then import your project.

But I would finish the current project in the release version. Create a new project in the Beta version and learn the new techniques there.

It is a very exciting new workflow!

Stan

marliton

Community Expert

Hu. Does this feature work with languages other than English?

Marlon Ceballos

marliton

Community Expert

Nevermind. I just tested it and it works well with the clips in Spanish. Great feature!

Marlon Ceballos

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RodBalseca

Participating Frequently

How do you transcribe in Spanish? How do you choose a language?

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Naima-Naima

Known Participant

Hi @TeresaDemel thanks for this post!

I am using this feature on a project I put aside for the past 12 months. Before putting it aside, I was using regular PP (not Beta) and I created transcipts of all of the interviews I have. Now I have re-opened the project, but in beta in order to have access to the text-based editing feature.

On your tutorial, I see that you are working from the source monitor to select the portions of clips from the transcript window and then insert it into the timeline. It works great that way.

On some other tutorials I saw that they were working from the timeline where they imported the whole internview and make selection between transcript window onto the timeline/sequence window. Meanign that when they highlight in the transcript window, it bring in and out point into the sequence. Though it isn't bringing in and out point into the timeline for me when highlithing in transcripts. Why?

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Naima,

Be sure you have selected the icon "Automatically set in/out points" (the 2 curly brackets: {}). It is very hard to see whether it is set or not. Even when unselected, the brackets look lit up. The sign that it is selected is that the background around it is greyer than the rest of the background.

But if it is ON, then as soon as you select text in the transcript, you will see in/out highlights appear in the Timeline, Program Monitor, and Source Monitor.

BTW, I prefer their "old" text editing workspace which shows both Source and Program Monitor rather than collapsing them in one panel. See the image in my post here:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-beta-discussions/text-panel-enhancements-part-2-assemble-rough-cuts-from-transcripts/m-p/13535517#M6999

If the "other" tutorials you are looking at are the "old" ones, linked in the top of that thread I linked to - the Assemble Rough cuts original tutorials - the UI interface has changed A LOT. It makes it hard to follow.

They are making great progress on this workflow.

Stan

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Ali Jaber

Community Expert

Amazing feature, I wish more languages were available for transcription (especially Arabic in my case).

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