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Project Manager - Consolidate and Transcode problems

Forum|Forum|8 years ago
July 11, 2017
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A while back I had several issues with clips not trimming properly during the Consolidate and Transcode process. I reached out to Adobe support and was given this fairly comprehensive list of when and why clips will fail. For some reason, this list is not posted publicly anywhere. I've copied it in it's entirely below. I've bolded several line items I feel are fairly important. There are now essential features in Premiere that I skip using (such as the Master Clip Effect layer) since it breaks the archive process.

These issues affect all versions of Premiere, including the current CC2017 version - 11.1.2 (22)

Hopefully this will help some people with project management.

If any one of the 4 major video parameters (frame size, frame rate, fielding, PAR) do not match or are not supported by Preset/codec, then entire clip will copy.
If the clip has multiple stereo channels of audio. These can only transcode to QuickTime, all other formats(e.g.: DNxHD) will fail and copy, since the other exporters do not support multi-stereo (QuickTime is the only exporter that currently supports that and only with uncompressed audio)
Time remapping is not supported. Will copy entire clip without warning.
There area number of formats/presets that are not supported for transcode (e.g. mostly still formats)
Merged Clips are not supported.
Copy of folder structures (e.g.: P2, AVCHD, etc.) is not supported. Depending on format, some files may be left out or other issues.
Master Clip Effects are not supported, and will be copied without no warning. This includes all the formats that now have source settings as Master Clip Effects (e.g.: R3D, ARRI, etc.)
Audio only files
If used in a merged clip. Unused merged clips will also copy.
Render and Replace files, even if unused
Clips with dual mono (2 mono) will copy, although they may also transcode (this is a known bug), but the project will always link to the copied clip and not the transcoded clip (using up even more space)
Clips with single mono audio will also fail to transcode.
Modify > Audio Channel　changes may also result in failure to transcode.

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Nicolas from Autokroma

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Hello @J28689319pi1e ,

What would you want PlumePack to do exactly to your PP Production ?

With PlumePack you can consolidate a project inside a PP Production. The new PlumePacked project created will be independent from the Production, which means that any media in any timeline of this project will have its Project Item inside this same project (and not in another one like we can see generally in Productions).

Please contact us with an explanation of your workflow, and how you would want to work with PP Productions, and we will see how we could improve PlumePack for it => https://www.autokroma.com/contact
Best,
Nicolas from Autokroma

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J28689319pi1e

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BUT nice to know that we live in the Bugs forum now 🙂

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J28689319pi1e

Participating Frequently

Yes, I had this experience too. I would be very happy if Adobe employees could explain to me why such a basic program function cannot be impemented/fixed/provided.

I would also be interested to know how other companies or freelancers deal with this problem (apart from using PlumePack, which also can't handle PP Productions).

In our case, the 18 TB hard drives with the BUs are stacked to the ceiling.

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Andy Adkins

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Wow. 6 years on and this still doesn't work. I learned to not trust project manager for anything big, but thought I'd try it today for something very simple.

I just wanted to get some partners a bin of music files that are spread across my local storage. I create a tmp sequence, dropped in all the music then thought I'd project manage the sequence (copying, not transcoding), and send the files. Should be easy. But it takes forever and starts copying what seems like everything in the project. This is with the exclude unused box checked, of course. We're talking like 11 small wav files here. Should take like 10 seconds.

It's just insanse to me that such basic stuff like this doesn't work. There are zero things about what I'm trying to do that is advanced in terms of programming/logic. These kinds of you're-kidding-me fails are why I've been firing up Premiere less and less (as I migrate to Resolve and steer people I work with in that direction as well).

Kevin-Monahan

Community Manager

Thanks. I'll move this to the Bugs forum.

Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

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Scott.C.

Inspiring

Project manager still woefully broken after many years. Needs to be robust and flexible, instead has a labyrinth of dos and don'ts to navigate to just get it to function at all. Not sure why they can't get it to make folders or at least approach the reliablity of the AE Project Collect. Not trimming a file becasue a master clip effect is applied is insane. It should just disable all master clip effects and render. The code should not be that complicated.

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J28689319pi1e

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Unbelievable. Another core feature in PP that just doesn't work - since at least 2017, as I read here. It's just depressing.

I tested* the free version (just copy & collect) of PlumePack with two simple projects and it worked perfectly. Thank you Autokroma for your great work!
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* macOS Ventura 13.2.1, PPro v23.2, PlumePack v2.1.1

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J28689319pi1e

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The longer I work with Premiere, the more curious I get as to how the hell larger post offices are supposed to be able to work with this software.
Just the fact that projects can't be consolidated properly should actually be a no-go. In addition, the problems with multi cam ... Imagine this in an AVID world.

I have given up posting the problems here in the forum. When I come across a problem, I regularly find threads here where the first post describing the problem is, for example, from 2017 and the latest from this year: The problem in question has not been solved to this day.

Just like in this thread. I'm becoming more and more convinced that all these functions, which are really crucial for post production, will simply NEVER be fixed.

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Baffy19

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Adobe engineers, aww-aww-aww. I, like many others, am tired of indifference to the most powerful and important in the direct sense of the ability to correctly assemble and send the project to the client. I have two questions for you: 1) When will the project consolidation and copying function work correctly? (since 2017, no damn changes); 2) Does anyone, in general, except for the timeline, look anywhere further? This is disrespectful not only to the users of your Premiere product, not only to the customers, but also to the entire film industry. We need this native ability to do the simplest things. Make the product professional and painless.

Warren Heaton

Community Expert

Transcode all camera originals to ProRes (or better yet, shoot ProRes to begin with) and drop them into Sequences with Video Previews set to matching ProRes and then most issues go away.

It does not have to be ProRes. DNxHD also works.

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J28689319pi1e

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most issues

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Unfortunately, that is not enough.

Warren Heaton

Community Expert

@J28689319pi1e

In addition to using CODECs that are good for editing, I also find it helpful to hold back a version. For example, currently I have Premiere Pro 23, After Effects 23, and Media Encoder 23 installed concurrently with Premere Pro 22, After Effects 22, and Media Encoder 22 and it's the latter that I use to deliver marketing content for broadcast television and social media on an ongoing basis.

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Baffy19

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I'm wondering if these gaffes have changed before the current version 23.1 Premiere? Or is there still the same mediocre work at the moment? In general, the Consolidation function is very useful when it is necessary to archive a project, reducing unnecessary frames and freeing up a lot of disk space. When will they finally take it up and make it fully functional and hassle-free? To take archive the project and nothing will be broken. I wrote a little earlier on the forum that the cropping function, which is very much in demand, does not work correctly. Then the point of all this is that it is being implemented into the Premiere product, which cannot be used to the full.

Can I ask an Adobe employee who is responsible for this?

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Daniel22379067xmlj

Participant

Hello friends,

We are using Project Manager to send some files to a remote colorist. We want to take our 30-second spot and only send them the clips used in the sequence with 24-frame handles. We have "Consolidate and Transcode" selected with Apple Proes 4444, and "Include Handles" selected.

My understanding is that Premiere is supposed to TRIM each clip included in that sequence so the resultant project would be MUCH lighter weight.

The problem we're experiencing is that no matter which preset/format/option we select, Premiere always is collecting and copying the full size/length of the included clips to new location - it is not trimming and transcoding the clips to be much smaller file size (only what's needed + 24 frame handles). This is resulting in 100GB project size instead of the maybe 10GB we expect to send to our colorist.

Is this a bug? Are we expecting premiere to do something it is not supposed to do?

Would appreciate any input from the community. Thank you.

Odobe

Known Participant

Hi Daniel and Kevin,

I have the same thing - trying to project manage this sequence - manually i can get it to 3gb but its 300gb with Project Manager

Files are MXF and VFX are requesting 4444 QT trimmed.

Odobe

Known Participant

Solution for this in the end was

Copy edit into a new sequence
Reconnect transcodes to source media - remove any nests / unwanted effects / lumetri etc. and take note of any retimings using time remapping- these are going to be the things that could go wrong.
Check the edit appears as you want to handover - grade removed if needed - also can check the frames are all there using an offline and difference opacity.
Render and replace with 4444 QT highest quality - match source and Individual clips- here you can add handles if you want - and choose a new folder labelled clearly for VFX

This worked really well for us in this instance.

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