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Claudio Bengoa
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August 29, 2017
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Accurate hardware for Premiere Pro CC 2017 and After Effects

  • August 29, 2017
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Hi! I'm about to get a new PC. I was wondering if you could help me deciding the proper spepcs according to my budget. So far I've been thinking about:

  • Processor: Intel Core i7 7700 clocked at 3.6 GHz [According to Intel specs it should be quad-core]
  • RAM: Corsair vengeance 16 GB DDR4
  • Graphics card: nVidia GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB DDR5X

Usually I work with 1080p 60 fps videos or 4K 30 fps, and export them on H.264. My goals are:

  • Smooth real-time previews while editing, I mean ... not having to render
  • If I had to .. fast rendering
  • Fast exporting
  • I'm kindda new at Premiere Pro, but I read that you can work with After Effects to improve animations on your sequence.  So I want to be able to run both programs simultaneously

So ... here are my questions:

  1. I read that maybe that CPU power is not good enough to work with that GPU, or ... it's fine?
  2. In case you strongly recommend I should change that CPU, would it be enough to get the i7 7700 clocked at 4.2 GHz, or should I get another processor?
  3. Would it be better spending more money on a better CPU and reduce the budget of that current GTX 1080?
  4. Does the GTX 1080 works fine with Premiere Pro CC 2017 now? Because I read that many people were having issues.

Hope you can help me!

PD: I know the nVidia Quadro Is better for editing than the GeForce, but I may be gamming too so changing to a Quadro it's not an option.

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Correct answer David Arbor

The GTX 1080 is a very powerful GPU, and would suffice for editing 1080p60 and 4K, although you don't say what format your footage is in. Being new to Premiere can be hard, so there's a lot to know, but editing 4K H.264 footage is not a great idea, and regardless of how powerful your machine is, you should always consider the most efficient way to work. You might be able to play back a 4K stream of H.264 with no problem, but as soon as you start stacking effects (especially if you throw any that aren't GPU-accelerated, you might have problems).

I have a GTX 1060 with a Core i7 7700K, which can be overclocked. It runs Premiere and After Effects great.

You should know that After Effects doesn't use the GPU in the same way that Premiere does, and it is not built for realtime rendering. It doesn't matter if you have 4 Titans in your computer, you won't get realtime playback on a heavy comp in After Effects. Being smart and working at half res with footage encoded in an intermedia formate, such as ProRes, Cineform, or DNxHD, is a smart way to work.

You could consider saving some money and dropping to a GTX 1070, and if you feel that performance isn't good enough you could always pop a second 1070 in, which is going to be more powerful than a single 1080. You can't run SLI on anything below a 1070, so a 1060 is out as an option there.

You mention that you want fast rendering and fast exporting, but again, that's not entirely hardware dependent. If you have a heavy comp with a lot of effects it's likely going to be faster to export to a master file in an intermediate format (again, ProRes, Cineform, or DNxHD), and then convert that flattened file to H.264. The same goes for rendering previews in your timeline. The preview codec is usually set up as MPEG I-Frame, which is a lower quality setting that you would not want to export with, but instead quickly generate previews. Going back to exporting though, you have to understand what's going on in order to optimize your speed.

You're decoding your footage, stacking effects on it, possibly blending those effects together, and then encoding as a different format. That takes a lot of processing power and it's a lot easier to encode that to an intermediate format that's easy to work with than to go directly to another highly compressed format like H.264. Taking an intermediate file which is flattened and doesn't require any processing of effects will convert to H.264 much, much quicker.

Another really important thing that you don't mention, which will drastically impact your performance is your drive type and speed.

If you're trying to read 4K video off a slow, spinning HDD, it doesn't matter how fast your processor is if your HDD is too slow to serve up frames. You need an SSD. You should also consider another SSD for your media cache and After Effects disk cache.

Also, regarding Premiere and After Effects, Dynamic Link is cool and it got a huge performance increase last year, but it's still slow and having Pr and Ae open at the same time shares resources. I'm working on a project right now where I'm going back and forth, but if I don't need Premiere while I'm animating, I close it.

There's a lot more to consider than just your CPU and GPU.

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September 17, 2019
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Legend
August 29, 2017

It's a fine system there.  But...I still recommend using the native Proxy workflow with your media, choosing one of the included Cineform presets.

Work offline using proxy media |

David ArborCorrect answer
Inspiring
August 29, 2017

The GTX 1080 is a very powerful GPU, and would suffice for editing 1080p60 and 4K, although you don't say what format your footage is in. Being new to Premiere can be hard, so there's a lot to know, but editing 4K H.264 footage is not a great idea, and regardless of how powerful your machine is, you should always consider the most efficient way to work. You might be able to play back a 4K stream of H.264 with no problem, but as soon as you start stacking effects (especially if you throw any that aren't GPU-accelerated, you might have problems).

I have a GTX 1060 with a Core i7 7700K, which can be overclocked. It runs Premiere and After Effects great.

You should know that After Effects doesn't use the GPU in the same way that Premiere does, and it is not built for realtime rendering. It doesn't matter if you have 4 Titans in your computer, you won't get realtime playback on a heavy comp in After Effects. Being smart and working at half res with footage encoded in an intermedia formate, such as ProRes, Cineform, or DNxHD, is a smart way to work.

You could consider saving some money and dropping to a GTX 1070, and if you feel that performance isn't good enough you could always pop a second 1070 in, which is going to be more powerful than a single 1080. You can't run SLI on anything below a 1070, so a 1060 is out as an option there.

You mention that you want fast rendering and fast exporting, but again, that's not entirely hardware dependent. If you have a heavy comp with a lot of effects it's likely going to be faster to export to a master file in an intermediate format (again, ProRes, Cineform, or DNxHD), and then convert that flattened file to H.264. The same goes for rendering previews in your timeline. The preview codec is usually set up as MPEG I-Frame, which is a lower quality setting that you would not want to export with, but instead quickly generate previews. Going back to exporting though, you have to understand what's going on in order to optimize your speed.

You're decoding your footage, stacking effects on it, possibly blending those effects together, and then encoding as a different format. That takes a lot of processing power and it's a lot easier to encode that to an intermediate format that's easy to work with than to go directly to another highly compressed format like H.264. Taking an intermediate file which is flattened and doesn't require any processing of effects will convert to H.264 much, much quicker.

Another really important thing that you don't mention, which will drastically impact your performance is your drive type and speed.

If you're trying to read 4K video off a slow, spinning HDD, it doesn't matter how fast your processor is if your HDD is too slow to serve up frames. You need an SSD. You should also consider another SSD for your media cache and After Effects disk cache.

Also, regarding Premiere and After Effects, Dynamic Link is cool and it got a huge performance increase last year, but it's still slow and having Pr and Ae open at the same time shares resources. I'm working on a project right now where I'm going back and forth, but if I don't need Premiere while I'm animating, I close it.

There's a lot more to consider than just your CPU and GPU.

Claudio Bengoa
Participant
August 30, 2017

Thank you guys so much for the help. But specially you mate, based on your answer I did a research and now I believe I have a balanced PC build:

- Processor: Intel core i7 7820X [Octa core, 3.6 Ghz]. This CPU has the possibility to reach 4.56 Ghz (on 2 cores) with Turbo boost, but maybe I'll stay on 3.6 due to my budget and also because I read that while editing, having more cores can be more important than a faster clock speed

- RAM: Cosair vengeance 32 GB DDR4. I thought 16 GB was ok as it was the minimum recommended by Adobe. But on many forums they considered 32 GB as the minimum for good performance.

- Graphics card: nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB. As you recommended this is also a good card and by downgrading from the 1080 option, I can improve other areas on the build

- Finally, I didn't knew the big deal it is to have SSD storage for editing. I didn't even mentioned that on my question because I though it wasn't important. So now I think I'm gonna get a 250 GB SSD Samsung Evo 850 for OS, other programs, Premiere Pro and After Effects. I also plan to work on my current projects on that SSD. After finishing them, transfer all the data to a conventional HDD to clear storage for the next project.

I think this new PC build should be around 700 bugs more than the original but if I think it's way more balanced.

So what do you think? Are my changes all right or should I modify then again?

Inspiring
August 30, 2017

I would get a second SSD for your projects. Projects and media shouldn't be on the same drive as your OS. Plus, 250 GB won't be enough for an OS, apps, media, and media and disk cache files that will get generated. I have 4 drives inside my machine.

Main: OS and apps on a 525GB SSD. This is a little more than 50% full

Production: 512 GB Western Digital Blue M.2 NVMe drive. This is way faster than the SSD, so my current projects and scratch disk files here. I allow After Effects to use 100 GB of this drive for a disk cache. It can fill up quickly with those files and media for my projects. Nothing on this drive lives here permanently.

Storage: 2TB drive with 738 GB free. This is where my photos, final projects, and other data live.

Time Machine: My backup drive.

You could save money and go back to the i7 7700 (if you get the K version it can be unlocked.) This would allow you to downgrade to a Z270 board and use that money on better storage options. Or you could spend more money all together and keep your current config and upgrade storage. Either way you will not be able to get by editing 4K video and working with After Effects on a 250 GB SSD.

Legend
August 29, 2017

You should get some other processor with more cores and more threads, as well as a motherboard and RAM that are compatible with the alternative CPU, at this point. That's because the i7-7700 is now too expensive for having only four cores and eight threads.

The i7-7700 cannot be overclocked at all - and its maximum Turbo clock of 4.2 GHz is if only one CPU core is in use. If all four CPU cores are in use, the maximum Turbo clock speed is just 4.0 GHz. The 3.6 GHz nominal clock speed is with Turbo disabled.