Achor points for rectangles in Titler

[nber-Sbb524]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do I shift the anchor point for rectangles in Titler?  Seems like should be a simple enough thing to do.

[Ann Bens]

There is no anchor point for shapes in the Titler.

what are you trying to achieve?

Holding down shift will scale proportional.

[nber-Sbb524]

Trying to align things using numerics with a rectangle.  Seems like this is super-basic functionality...  no?

BTW, trying to copy/paste text in Titler and Preimere keeps crashing.  Shoot me now.

[shooternz]

There are Align options in the Titler.

What are you trying to align? Objects, edges...text...

Not sure how rectangle anchor points figure in aligning.

[Ann Bens]

You can aline several objects

Group and then move them all together.

[nber-Sbb524]

I have objects that I am looking to align.  The cleanest way to do so is using numerical values.  For example: I'd like the left edge of rectangle A to be 10 pixels from the left edge of the screen.  Then I want the left edge of the second rectangle B to be 15 pixels from the left edge of the first rectangle A.  Right now it's virtually impossible for me to do this cleanly.

[shooternz]

The fast clean way is to use the Align Tool Options.

[nber-Sbb524]

Sorry, that's neither fast nor clean.

BTW, updating Premiere got rid of the crash bug in Titler.

[Ann Bens]

Not fast but clean: X position 1/2 the width + 10 pixels.

[nber-Sbb524]

Is there a way to mark these threads as "Developers, make note that this is something that should have been a feature years ago"?

[Ann Bens]

Feature Request/Bug Report Form

[nber-Sbb524]

I'd rather just have the ability to point developers to this thread (or have someone on their team confirm that information is received).  Have my own problems to deal with 😕

[Ann Bens]

If you want something changed you will have to fill out a feature request so Adobe knows what users want.

The more users do this the higher it gets on the list.

[nber-Sbb524]

I respectfully think that this sort of "crowdsourcing priorities" is wrong.  A company would be better served to have specialists who scour forums like these to identify issues and integrate into the company roadmap.  To require users to take extra action to implement features that should have been in the first version of the software is A) lazy and B) inefficient - the company will get feedback from dilettantes who have time, not power-users who's time is super-expensive.

[Ann Bens]

the company will get feedback from dilettantes who have time, not power-users who's time is super-expensive.

Wow...........

[nber-Sbb524]

Sorry, that might have come across as condescending.  Was not meant to be.  I would classify myself as a dilettante. 

I just know that my top video-editors have opinions that are much more valuable than mine and will be much less likely to submit features through forms, so you'll get more noise if you require crowdsourcing rather than having pros pick out the feedback gems.  I know crowdsourcing is all the rage right now, but I recommend that feedback should be weighted and you do not require power-users to jump through hoops.

Anyway, just my 2c.  Apologies if it came out as negative.  Just under a tight deadline and was a little annoyed at the request to go through forms when tonight is looking like an all-nighter 😕

[eikonoklastes]

If time is a critical priority for you, you should do your titles in After Effects. Premiere's Titler is primitive, to say the least, whereas After Effects will significantly simplify your life for matters such as these.

The Dynamic Linking between the two apps should ensure that this process is about as seamless as it can be.

[nber-Sbb524]

That seems to increase render times and we've had massive problems with dynamic linking this year...  😕

A tool can be primitive...  but it should still be a complete basic tool.  Especially in a suite this old...

[eikonoklastes]

If your titles are something that can be pulled off in Premiere's Titler, then replicating that in After Effects should introduce a negligible increase in render times, if at all.

What sort of problems have you been having with dynamic linking? For something as simple as text with a background, it should work pretty smoothly.

[nber-Sbb524]

The projects crashed, the render times increased considerably (if I remember correctly) and it was just overall incredibly painful.  At one point it turned out that I couldn't use AE as templates (which worked in the previous version) due to different instances using the same memory space. causing erratic behavior, which meant that I had to copy/paste a fairly large number of AE templates.  Not sure if the crash bugs and memory issues were fixed in the recent updates, but I can't afford to be running into problems at this point, so prefer to keep things as simple as possible.

I still maintain that anything that Adobe does should be done with love.  Not having simple functionalities feels incredibly loveless... 

[shooternz]

Maybe Premiere  Titler does not do what you ( or your editors) want ...exactly the way you want.*

Namely ...some way of mis-aligning objects numerically.

How would you want this to work without doing some math?

If the TItler could shift the pin point of an object..it would then be easier with the existing numerical position parameters.  (Feature Request).  The misaligning will always require some math though.  Cant see anyway around that.

So there are at least 3 other ways you could set these Graphic objects up as you wish.  AI.,  Photoshop, After Effects.

Each has pixels rulers on screen unlike Ppro Titler.  What ever...All compatible in workflows with Premiere.

Pixel Rulers woud be a nice addition to itler ...I agree. (FR)

I would export the titles as DI s if direct links dont work for you.

* BTW - I think this is the first time  I have ever read your issue as a "show stopper" for anyone

[nber-Sbb524]

Shooter, here are a few use cases:

- you have two objects that you want to space out

- you have two title cards and you want to left-align across two titles

So I disagree that I am pursuing mis-alignment.  I am pursuing a rigorous and simple way of aligning objects, which seems to be missing in Titler for unknown reasons.

One quick way to fix that would be to allow users to control the position of an object by changing top/left/right/bottom point in an object.  Another is to allow to change the position of the anchor (a simple x/y offset would suffice).

Not sure what you mean with the "show stopper" comment.

[shooternz]

I am not sure what the issue with the first one is?

Keen to see an example of the second one please as a frame grab

- you have two objects that you want to space out

- you have two title cards and you want to left-align across two titles

Mis align - Sorry ..I must have misunderstood..and not sure what would solve this example for you.....

For example: I'd like the left edge of rectangle A to be 10 pixels from the left edge of the screen.  Then I want the left edge of the second rectangle B to be 15 pixels from the left edge of the first rectangle

I still think there is math involved  no matter where the Anchor Point is pinned.

[shooternz]

Not sure what you mean with the "show stopper" comment.

Just that I had not read anyone else having alignment difficulties and that lack of feedback would certainly not put it on Adobes radar for product development.

Since I have been on these Forums...many years... ..I have seen many FRs obliged. Including many of none to minimal value for myself.  Those I call 'Feature Creep".

FWIW - I am a fan for some development in PPro Titler. eg Ruler Bars and moveable Guidelines.

[nber-Sbb524]

Ex) you have text with black blocks behind for style.  You want blocks to be 10 pixels apart.

I am a developer by background.  What frustrates me is when people implement "to management spec" without putting some love into it and thinking about the user...  I might be reading too much into it, but I keep seeing things that range form small annoyances (Titler) to massive issues (crashes) and it has cause me quite a bit of grief...  Things to seem to be getting better though...