AMD 3600 VS INTEL 9600

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May 2, 2020
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Hi guys! Help me please! The question of choice: Intel i5-9600 (no discrete videocard) or Ryzen 5 3600 + cheap videocard (no GPU acceleration), what is better for timeline performance and rendering?

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Andy 1968

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If you edit H.264 and export ot H.264 a quadcore Intel CPU can compete with an 8 Core AMD CPU. The link might be worth checking out,
https://youtu.be/drF66pgnK7U

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RjL190365

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Actually, there are no current quad-core Intel CPUs with hyperthreading outside of the mobile (laptop) area. Intel's desktop CPUs of the 8th- and 9th-Generation that has only 4 physical cores also lack hyperthreading (so only 4 threads total). Intel has not manufactured a desktop CPU that has 4 cores and 8 threads since the Kaby Lake days of 2017 (the effective replacement for a 4-core/8-thread CPU from Intel, performance-wise, is an i5 with 6 cores and 6 threads like the i5-9600 mentioned above). All Coffee Lake (8th- and 9th-Generation) i5 desktop CPUs have 6 cores and 6 threads. Since the Coffee Lake launch, quad-core desktop CPUs are now only sold as i3's.

And no 4-core/4-thread CPU can come anywhere close to the performance of a Ryzen 8-core/16-thread CPU. I have proven that already in Premiere Pro upon the results that I had personally submitted to the Puget Systems' Premiere Pro benchmark database. None of the quad-core CPUs, and none of the 6-core i5's, came anywhere close to the performance of my R7 3800X stock-speed system (as it is currently configured). In fact, even the 8-core/16-thread Intel i9-9900K needed both the higher-end Turing GPU and QuickSync enabled just to edge out my AMD 3800X in overall performance score.

By the way, the i9-9900K used in that video in your link is actually an 8-core/16-thread CPU. Not a quad-core CPU. You had assumed that all LGA 1151 CPUs still have no more than 4 physical CPU cores even today. Which is now no longer true. Since Coffee Lake launched in late 2017-early 2018, all desktop i5 and i7 CPUs have at least 6 cores (and the 9th-Generation i7 now has 8 cores, but only 8 threads).

And the results showed the glaring weakness of any Nvidia GPU architecture prior to the current Turing generation when pushed hard with 4k/59.94 content processing.

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

You made way to many assumptions and your response is much longer than it needed to be.

That being said I am aware my i9 9900K has 8 cores. I stated that in the video. Once Premiere Pro started to support Intel's quick sync there were several YouTubers that stopped using their 12 and 8 core AMD CPUs and started using 4 core and 6 core Intel CPUs because of the Quick Sync performance. At the time Premiere Pro got support for Quick Sync the 8 Core i9 9900K was not even on the martet and AMD did not have much to offer. Most peole were using 4 core and 6 core CPUs at that time. That being said if you edit H.264 an older Kaby Lake quad core can compete with a new 8 core AMD CPUs (certain H.264 video files). The Intel Quick Sync module on the IGPU will compensate for about 4 cores worth of performance. Why have 4 cores pegged at 100% getting really hot when playing H.264? Keep in mind Intel's Quick Sync has been revamped several times and is useful to have on a laptop.

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RjL190365

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As Ann stated, both will be unbearably slow. In fact, if you buy the latter system, and if that cheap video card is based on a GPU that's too old and outdated or obsolete, then Premiere Pro will crash repeatedly.

So, if you go with either CPU, then you should buy a GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER or a GTX 1660 if you want both acceptable performance and a minimized risk of crashes. Also, while you're at it, get at least 16 GB of DDR4 RAM to go with it.

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Anonymous

Hi! Thank you for your advice! Does it mean that adobe premiere will work very bad on i5-9600 without GPU? I thought that integrated graphic core of intel is good and optimized for adobe, no? I'm sorry, I'm very beginner.

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RjL190365

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Thank you, but the problem is that I'll buy this computer for just a couple of months, I wanted to save some money due to my strict budget. I know the list of recommended video cards my question to experienced users is: what is the cheapest way for temporary computer? Which descrete video card is cheapest for rendering videos? Not for any comfort performance, but for SOME acceleration of rendering process. Sorry, maybe I explain very bad what I mean as English is not my native language.

There is absolutely no good answer here. What I meant in my previous post is that you might not be able to get any video editing done at all whatsoever with an outdated cheap discrete GPU. The program will crash in the middle of your job without saving much if any progress, and you cannot really recover from such a disaster. And that is all due to the driver being too old and unsupported by the editing program despite being the latest that's available for that GPU.

So my choice, in this situation, is to hang on a while longer with absolutely nothing at all (ownership-wise). Your best choice is to actually borrow or rent a PC until you save up enough for a proper editing system. But barring that, then out of the two I would choose the i5-9600 with integrated graphics (but buy it with at least 16 GB of RAM when you first configure that system), and then buy that GTX 1650 SUPER whenever funds permit. The R5 3600 is out of consideration under the circumstances since a discrete GPU is required to even work at all, and an outdated GPU will cause severe problems in Premiere Pro.

Or put it this way, if you cannot run Premiere Pro (or whichever NLE you're planning to run) at all, then you might as well have absolutely nothing.