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April 14, 2019
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Audio Sync Drift Issue with Premiere Captured AVI Files

  • April 14, 2019
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I recently captured a bunch of VHS tapes through a Firewire DV device (VX-2100) using Premiere's DV capture tool. Premiere forces capture into a .AVI using the DV video codec with 32 kHz audio.

When importing into Premiere the audio slowly drifts out of sync. After about 90 minutes the audio is about 5 frames ahead of the video. The sequence is using the "DV NTSC->Standard 32kHz" template. When playing the raw .AVI files in VLC and WMP the A/V sync is fine, but not in QuickTime Player. Additionally, a conversion to .MP4 with Handbrake works without any sync issues as well (but this introduces undesirable re-compression for editing).

Using Premiere 13.1 on Windows 10 1803.

Been really pulling my hair out on this and would appreciate any help... thanks.

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Participant
April 16, 2019

Thanks again for the help everyone.

Averdahl, I suspect you have the right idea. I tried importing into Audition and doing the sample rate conversion to 48kHz 16-bit, then reimport into Premiere. Unfortunately the new wave file is exactly the same as the source in sync except it has one frame removed from the end (sync throughout is not changed at all).

I also tried VirtualDub. VirtualDub also plays the files perfectly in sync throughout. I set it to pass-through the video stream and do a 32kHz->48kHz conversion on the audio stream. This losslessly creates a new AVI which I can import into Premiere, however it still has the same issue annoyingly.

I did make another discovery though. I noticed that the tail end of the audio track has a blank period ~6 frames long.

It turns out this blank space precisely corresponds with the timing discrepancy such that if I stretch the length of the entire audio track out 6 frames, all audio will become in sync throughout. Speeding up the video by 6 frames also has the same effect. While these solutions 'work' they are both lossy and not ideal.

So I still suspect the 32kHz audio is the root of the issue but I haven't been able to find a solution so far...

Participant
April 27, 2021

Did you ever figure this out?

 

I'm having a similar issue with dv tapes.

John T Smith
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Community Expert
April 15, 2019

When I use the no longer sold Grass Valley ADVC 110 external digital converter to capture from tape... even from VHS... the audio is 48khz and I've never had a problem with audio+video sync

Participant
April 15, 2019

Thanks for the replies guys.

Ann is correct that these are not variable frame rate files. I had already checked that, sorry I didn't mention it. (Also Premiere now supports VFR anyway) Also while the suggestion to capture is smaller parts would probably work, this isn't an issue with the underlying files as VLC/WMP show, just with how Premiere is interpreting the files. So capturing in smaller chunks would probably mask the issue since the .AVIs imported to Premiere would be too short to experience drift. Also I've already capture 100+ tapes so I don't want to redo it all.

Another thing I discovered is that captured MiniDV tapes (not VHS) with Premiere (which uses the same DV codec with 48kHz audio) do not experience the drift issue. This again makes me wonder if there's an audio sample rate issue that could be causing issues somehow, but I'm still not sure where to go from here.

Averdahl
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April 15, 2019

32KHz audio is the root of the problem and has always been an issue when it comes to video.

One workaround that may work is to extract the audio in Adobe Audition, convert the Sample Rate from 32KHz to 48KHz (Press F11) and then save the file as a .wav-file. Then, import the video clip and the .wav file and place them on the timeline and mute the audio in the video clip. If you are lucky the audio is now in sync.

Joost van der Hoeven
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April 15, 2019

Seems Qucktime and Premiere Pro are having a hard time with 32 KHz. Maybe batch convert the clips to 48KHz?

Ann Bens
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April 15, 2019

To avoid this issue I would capture in smaller chunks.

Joost van der Hoeven
Community Expert
Community Expert
April 15, 2019

You can check if changing the Variable frame rate setting helps: FAQ: How to work with Variable Frame Rate (VFR) media in Premiere Pro?

Ann Bens
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Community Expert
April 15, 2019

Sorry guys but captured dv-avi through a sony 2100 can never be variable framerate.

gerikp
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Community Expert
April 15, 2019

Sounds like your footage is Variable Frame Rate. And it seems that most people have great success using Handbrake to transcode their footage to Constant Frame Rate. You might experiment with different compression settings in Handbrake to get a clip you're happy with.