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CoralVision
Inspiring
May 9, 2017
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Breaking My Tools. :(

  • May 9, 2017
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Oh, come on Adobe staff people!

Regarding the changes to titles and graphics workflow in CC17.1:

I understand you want your titling workflow to be as easy and effective as the Motion->FCP7 workflow was back in 2009, but you've missed the mark again!

PLUS, you have this miserable pattern of removing functional tools that I use everyday, and replacing them with completely new "features" that fail to reproduce the functionality of the old tools (e.g. those "obsolete audio effects" in the last update).

Please, don't take away old tools until the new ones are ready to do real work!!

I am so sick of being your beta-tester! I am trying to work over here!

Very frustrated.

Eric D - CoralVision

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      Correct answer CoralVision

      OK, I found it:

      File > New > Legacy Title...

      Calming down...

      Jeez, people, it doesn't have to be like this!

      3 replies

      jstrawn
      jstrawn
      Legend
      May 10, 2017

      That's why I pointed to external links that I already reviewed and approved as especially timely and accurate, Neil.

      The downside is that they both run upwards of 20 minutes in duration, so if you want something like 1 2-minute primer, I haven't found one of those yet. However there are many, many others posted by now, and I haven't watched many of them. So other links/suggestions are certainly welcome here.

      As for official help documentation (e.g. helpx articles), I have no idea what their plans are but if you spot particular errors or even whole docs that seem inaccurate or unhelpful, please send me link(s) and maybe some brief note(s) about the error(s) you see and I do have a contact that can revise and update them pretty quickly.

      As for the Help menu in the app, I see what you mean about the 'Help Topics' but type in "graphics" or "motion" and it will reveal some pretty useful menu items to you. I don't know who writes and implements those Help Topics (or who ever actually uses them, for that matter) but if/when I can find out I will ask them for some Graphics / MOGRT specific topics.

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      May 10, 2017

      I know Kevin gets the same things ... the Help "files" are so often a mashup of old & new with some new things completely missing. Too bad it's not a higher priority ... I get grief routinely about "those help files suck ... don't they ever actually make a manual?" ... except often not in that polite a language. As people assume ACP's are somehow connected with the products or something, which ... as volunteers ... we most certainly aren't.

      I know for some things that if I drill down through several links, I can get to very useful info. It's just very spotty.

      And when the company launches an entirely new way of doing something, especially with as much promise as the EGP, it's a pain that there's not the useful info on how to use this wonderful new toy. But I'm preaching to the choir, I know!

      Neil

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      jstrawn
      jstrawn
      Legend
      May 10, 2017

      https://forums.adobe.com/people/R+Neil+Haugen  wrote

      the Help "files" are so often a mashup of old & new with some new things completely missing. Too bad it's not a higher priority ...

      As people assume ACP's are somehow connected with the products or something, which ... as volunteers ... we most certainly aren't.

      ACP = ? (Automatic Colt Pistol, Aviator Continuation Pay?)

      I think that for something like that, it is most certainly worthwhile to add a sort of +1 by submitting a feature/bug for updating the in-app help topics across the board. If only to help them gauge how many people are actually looking for current info in there and not finding it. --> Feature Request/Bug Report Form

      CoralVision
      CoralVisionAuthor
      Inspiring
      May 10, 2017

      Hey all,

      I just want to say thank you to to everyone who has responded here - you are all earnest, collegial, and excellent. Thanks for the support - technical and otherwise - and helping me remember I'm not alone out here. Also, let me apologize for the hot-headed tone of my original post - I will try to follow your positive examples as I react to future developments.

      Adobe Support forums FTW today.

      Eric D - CoralVision

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      May 10, 2017

      Eric,

      From walking around at NAB now four years ... I think every editor I've talked with no matter which program, has a love/what-the-heck?!!!!!! relationship with their main editing app. This year, in discussion at the Adobe booth a staffer who didn't know me ... with another one who does also standing there ... the one who didn't know me asked if I had some things with Lumetri that I though might be changed or improved ... ahem.

      The other staffer shook his head and rolled his eyes. He knew what was coming ...

      Past these five things which need fixing ... these four parts that work or are designed "wrong" ... there's these 15-20 things that need improvement. Oh, and before it really can take the place of SpeedGrade, you need these five/six things added ... plus everything else mentioned.

      Enough for starters? I mean, if you really want, I can go on just a ... wee ... bit more ... sheesh.

      And that's not even mentioning .... but I won't go into that either just now.

      You're among peers. We just work to sort things out to muddle through, and maybe get some things "fixed!" along the way. And get the work out.

      Neil

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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        semiller-holvan
        Inspiring
        June 6, 2017

        There are a lot of changes for Graphics, that part is true. The Legacy Titler is still there, that is also true. Now that you have discovered that, it may help to start with an overview of the new Graphics (+ mogrt) features...

        Here are two of many decent tutorial demos for you...

        Premiere Pro CC - April 2017- New Features and the Essential Graphics Panel - YouTube

        Essential Graphics in Premiere Pro CC 2017.1 on Vimeo


        It's interesting J, the the only documentation on the Adobe site about making the templates in AE is this page Create Motion Graphics templates |

        Does Adobe not have technical writers on staff anymore? Or is Adobe relying on third parties to make tutorials to teach everyone one else how to effectively use the new tools?

        CoralVision
        CoralVisionAuthorCorrect answer
        Inspiring
        May 9, 2017

        OK, I found it:

        File > New > Legacy Title...

        Calming down...

        Jeez, people, it doesn't have to be like this!

        R Neil Haugen
        R Neil Haugen
        Legend
        May 9, 2017

        The frustration, I so totally get. Yea, first launching this release was a shocker as far as titling.

        But having watched the new EGP demoed at NAB, and talking with some of the folks that have figured that out, it's actually capable of more than it seems. You have to know where to poke the box to find things, however ... which gets right to the heart of your "Jeez, people ... " comment. No, it shouldn't be like this!

        That said, there's a number of the tools of the EGP that don't seem to have any possible way to change the behavior or parameters ... which I found is because the controls for many of the EGP tools are in the Effects Control Panel ... so you invoke a tool with the EGP on the right side of the UI, then go to the ECP on the left side of your UI to control the parameters for that tool.

        Which, on seeing this, I realized is actually more like a lot of the other "effects" in PrPro ... invoke the effect, then go into ECP to control it. And once you've got the EGP up and in-use, suddenly there's an EGP section in the ECP ... and twirl-downs, and controls, and key-framing of some things.

        So it's definitely worth looking up some of the tutorials already out there on how to use it. No, it doesn't have the full tool-set of the old "Legacy" title panel. However, it can do some things that one can't ... and as they roll out more features, is going to be one heck of a lot better to use.

        But jeez people, it doesn't have to be like this!

        Neil

        Everyone's mileage always varies ...
        shooternz
        shooternz
        Legend
        May 9, 2017

        Hey Neil

        I have just started poking around the EGP ancd looking for the tutorials.

        Trying to establish a new Tiltle workflow.

        Maybe you know where the Title asset is held ( BIN) once it is created.

        Right clicking on it Sequence and Find in Project is greyed out!  Manually searching the BIn ...no asset!

        At this point I have no idea what the programmers are thinking because every thing seems so much more work from controls spread all over the PPro interface.

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