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matteob50581971
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November 28, 2018
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Color Management in Premiere doesn't match the export

  • November 28, 2018
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Hello.

I'm having some trouble with my colors in Premier Pro.

I'm using the latest version of Premiere ProCC, an external Monitor (4K Not calibrated) and I just bought an external graphic card (Radeon RX Vega 64)

It is my understanding that using the "Color Management" option under file>General it's "better" (To put it simply).

Now, before I never had a problem in terms of color: What I graded and saw in my preview was pretty much what I was getting in my export but now my export is a lot less contrasty that my preview.

Is it because I'm using the color management option?

Should I not use it and grade it again or should I change some setting during export maybe?

(I'm exporting both in ProRes HQ, and H264 4096x2160  VBR  2 pass: 48 and 60; highest bit color range and and render at maximum quality) and I have the same problem.

Is there anybody that could help me with this?

or anybody that could suggest a different solution?

Thank you so much.

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Correct answer R Neil Haugen

Why is this so difficult?

My monitor is pretty bad, it's a cheap monitor that I don't care to calibrate.

When I do the color I what it on the Mac monitor. not on the external one.

And when I see the export, I watch it on the Mac. There's should be no difference.


Color ... "control" ... is not nearly as solid a thing as most expect. Monitors all vary, even the same models ... the OS and video card settings can be different even for different monitors out from one card. And the color space coverage for monitors within the same space will vary.

There just isn't anything like making a color the same on multiple monitors.

The closest is to have a setup as close as possible to full broadcast standards, with the material viewed on another system set for the same standards.

Neil

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haseebamin
Participant
April 8, 2021

 

Hi Guys. 

 

I've always beeen on the readers side of the discussions but this problem is not coming to a solution. 

My QUESTION. 

The preview that i see in premiere pro does not match with my export on the same screen on VLC player or windows media player. 

 

I am not worried about how it looks on other screens. First i need a solution that why my premiere pro visual and export visual don't match. 

 

Now i have applied gamma QT lut but it crushed my blacks  meaning comparing with the premiere pro window and VLC or windows media player. the exported video is not more darker than the premier pro monitor screeen, 

 

Solution??

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
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April 8, 2021

Double-posting is not considered best practices, so let's discuss this on the other thread.

 

Neil

 

 

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
marq5_1
marq5_1
Participating Frequently
January 8, 2019

The issue of using calibrated monitoring is very old. This problem has nothing to do with monitors.

It has to do with Pr exporting a file that looks different from how it looks in the Pr Program window (where the color tweaking is being done). This can be seen when you place the Program window next to the Export Settings/ Output window on the same monitor. They look different... they shouldn't.

The question is:

1. What is causing this difference between the Program window and export file?

2. Or how can we adjust the Program window's "look" so that it matches the actual output's "look" so that tweaking makes sense?

I'm having the same problem.

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    excited_Genie16B8
    Legend
    January 8, 2019

    This problem has nothing to do with monitors.

    One can't know that unless one is using a calibrated monitor.  Viewing it anywhere else introduces the possibility of inaccurate viewing.

    marq5_1
    marq5_1
    Participating Frequently
    January 9, 2019

    if the source monitor doesn't match the program window, I'd call that a major, major oversight. i'd report that as a big, fat bug!

    if you want VLC to match premiere, you'll need color management turned on, then a bt1886 to srgb preview lut or madVR with BT.1886 lut playback. VLC is srgb, not rec. 709 2.4(or bt1886 with 0 black level) the web is sRGB or rec. 709 2.2.


    chrisw44157881​ that is some impressive technical info you just presented!

    Can you put some of that in practical context? Like how would one go about implementing bt1886 in the MacOS color manager? bt1886 is not listed in my Display profile list in my System Preferences color manager utility. a bt1886 to srgb preview lut or madVR with BT.1886 lut playback... to do that do I need additional hardware, or is there a software utility that enables that? Maybe you can be a little more specific. Where does one find a bt1886 to srgb preview LUTs, or madVR with BT.1886 LUTs?

    OK... I've had about enough of this ... I was going to write that "regardless of VLCs color profile, it seems to match the Pr Pro Program window pretty well..." and started going through the various Display profiles with the Program window, Export Settings window, and VLC player open on my Retina Display. I wanted to find the profile that got the best match between the Source window and the VLC player from last night...

    1. The Program window and the Export Settings Output window are matching better today than yesterday and the VLC player is now slightly off in all of the Display profiles I checked... (Different ambient light in the room than last night?)

    2. ... until I reached a profile called "DCDM X'Y'Z' D60 Gamma 2.6"... at which point the Pr Pro windows have shifted into some weird desaturated green color space and the VLC player hasn't changed. In other words WTF! ... There is no handbook for this! Apparently the Display profiles effect various softwares differently. I'm getting the feeling there is no such thing as "what you see is what you get". Too many variables.

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    excited_Genie16B8
    Legend
    November 28, 2018

    "Variants of this question have been covered to death on this and every other color grading forum. The answer is always the same.  The only way to get a [proper] image you can trust is to run SDI [or HDMI] out to an accurately calibrated reference monitor.  Grading by viewing the image in the GUI just doesn't work."  - Jamie LeJeune

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    matteob50581971Author
    Participating Frequently
    November 28, 2018

    Hey Jim,

    Yes, I know it has been discussed before and I know about the calibrated monitor.

    My problem is simply that I can't afford one.

    Since I haven't had a problem with this before, what I am asking is:

    Is that one option (Color Management) really helpful? or should I not use it at all?

    Thank you

    chrisw44157881
    chrisw44157881
    Inspiring
    November 28, 2018

    try to calibrate your monitor to bt1886. that is premiere's program window color profile, but its color engine will still export srgb 2.2.

    if you had a video player like madvr that could playback bt1886, you'd see a match, but web colors are different.

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