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CS6.0.2 Update No Fix For AVCHD Spanned Clips - Workarounds?

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October 5, 2012
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While I try to avoid Spanned Clips as much as possible due to a history with Premiere importing them, for event coverage we still get them and I just can't figure out how to make them work in Premeire CS6 on OS X. I see lots of posts about this and would like to know if there is a fix that does not require purchasing another product (like MTS Merge $35).

We are using AVCHD footage from Pansonic cameras and if it spanned, the sound will be missing for much or all or the clip.

I have tried using the Media Browser to import the entire AVCHD folder.

I have tried using Panasonics AVCHD Viewer application to import the footage (switches wrapper to .mt2s instead of .mts).

I have tried transcoding to new codec (Quicktime and VLC will play the MTS file correctly but output loses audio sync).

Ugh, this is terrible. Has anyone else found a workaround?

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Correct answer ECBowen

This is exactly what happeneds when the spanned clip is imported (no audio until the last 5 minutes). All the other clips on the card are fine.

Also as mentioned in my other post, the spanned clip does play correctly in quicktime and VLC players.

I did file a bug report with Adobe and got a reponse (holy cow!) from prembugs that said I should make sure I have logged with my adobe ID to activate the codecs (what?!?) Anyway I had done that. They also mentioned something about OS X 10.8 (mountain lion) but as indicated the Bug form, I am using 10.7.5 (Lion).

Anyway, I still think this is a Adobe issue.

I did just re-import the card (locked this time) and still have the same issue. Nothing appears to have been written to it ouside of the camera files.

Our workflow is to copy the contents of the card to the hard drive before import, so any XML is written to the hard drive not the SD card.

Media Browser is in AVCHD mode when I import and sees the spanned clips as a single clip.

Take those Spanned clips into Media Encoder and re-encode them using Main Concept's AVCHD. Then import them into Premiere and see how they act. As long as you select the same codec settings as the original material then there wont be any generation loss as it will just re-write the file with a different file writer.

Eric

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Todd_Kopriva

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The Premiere Pro CS6 (6.0.4) update fixes a bug with spanned AVCHD clips: http://bit.ly/DVA_updates

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ns194

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I have a suggestion for you, jefbak. Until adobe patches PPro to behave consistently with spanned clips, there are a couple workarounds. If you're on a Mac, you can always use ClipWrap, which just rewraps your spanned clip into a .mov file for easier editing (FCP people tend to use this to transcode to Prores, but there is a simple rewrap functionality as well). This may at least solve your playback woes in Premiere.

Another alternative requires using the command line to rejoin the clips. I have a hacked GH2, and the man behind the hack has a very useful FAQ regarding AVCHD and all things GH2 related. The section on spanning is helpful: http://www.personal-view.com/faqs/gh2-usage/gh2-usage#spanning

This worked pretty well for me in most cases. You should be able to tell by the date/time/size of the clips which of them constitute a larger spanned clip.

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excited_Genie16B8

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Spanned clips from the GH2 don't seem to exhibit the bug. You should be fine using them as is.

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ns194

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Well, I have one of my longer clips affected. It may be due to the hacked firmware and shooting at a high ISO. I've had no trouble in most cases. But one clip has suffered laggy playback, dropped frames, etc. I found that manually joining the clips, and if need be, rewrapping them, did help.

josephs51576386

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If you have access to a PC you can just use this program for free.

http://www.vontraining.net/download/

It will merge all your stuff together for, it works very quickly too. Plus no quality loss since it's only simply merging the video together.

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TradeWind

Inspiring

Unfortunately this is not a spanned clip problem with Adobe or Panasonic. This issue does come up from time to time.

Be sure when you pull the card from your camcorder, you LOCK IT immediately. Then it becomes impossible to change anything on the card purposely or inadvertantly (and as you are aware, changing anything - structure, file names, ANYTHING - on the card will blow the whole operation, so locking it is perfect). Also, sometimes Mac users have problems when they fail to lock their cards, because Mac OS immediately starts writing files to the card if it's not locked.

When you're using the Media Browser in PPro, be certain that you are viewing the clips in AVCHD mode (there's a dropdown option for this right there in the Media Browser). If you're importing individual clips from a single continuous recording, you're NOT in AVCHD mode, and this will always cause the problem you are describing.

I don't mean to lay this out as "you're doing it wrong" but unfortunately this is all very well documented at this point, and whenever there is a problem with spanned clips, it is 100% of the time due to a user that renamed something, moved files, or otherwise didn't follow the complete rules of AVCHD management. I don't normally use a term like 100% (tend to prefer 99.9%) but I say 100% because it is absolute in this case.

jefbakAuthor

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I guess my counter arugment to the Lock idea/issue is that I have never ever had a problem importing clips that are not spanned. Ever. Wither either of the Panasonic cameras. It is always spanned clips that have trouble importing, but play fine in VLC or even quicktime player.

Locking your cards sounds like a good idea, but I don't see it as the reason for this especially when the clip plays correctly outside of premiere.

ECBowen

Inspiring

Regular players do not write XML files to associate the clips when you play them while editors do. When you import AVCHD files, Adobe will write associate files to the current location of the media files. That is why the suggestion to lock the cards is a valid one. Editors need to remember that standard players and Advanced players such as Editing applications are completely 2 different animals. You cannot compare them as a troubleshooting mechanism.

Eric

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Averdahl

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What Panasonic camera do you use?

I have no trouble with spanned clips from the Panasonic HMC-151 as long as i don't rename the PRIVATE folder or any of it's subfolders or it's content.

/Roger

jefbakAuthor

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We have both an HMC-150 and HMC-40, I think with the latest firmware. I have had issues with the footage from both cameras, but the footage in this case is from the HMC-40. Both cameras are setup for 720P30 recording. Our workflow is to copy the entire directory structure form the SD card to the hard drive and then import to premiere. So the directory sturcture is not changed. It was working working for me in CS5.5, but I had problems with CS5 before that. So it was a surpise to see it crop up again.

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excited_Genie16B8

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I would have to go looking to find one of Jeff's posts on this. However this system has been commonly used for years by different encoders or applications. Smart rendering was designed around using Preview Files for export and making the export times much faster. It was not designed to alleviate generation loss when you transcode the material to the same codec to another file format to prevent generation loss since that is not required. Think of it this way. Say I have a puzzle with the same number of rows and columns. I simply want to move that same data from that puzzle to a new puzzle format with the exact same data type. How do you have any loss of data when doing that? I am simply shuffling what rows and columns the data resides in. The original data never changed.

When you select the export settings simply select the option to match source material.

eric

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Smart Rendering and using Previews are two entirely different things. If your Previews are MPEG2 based, and you go out to another MPEG 2 format (even one matching the preview specs) the preview will be decompressed and restranscoded. What saves time with using Previews in that case is that you don't have to render any effects from the sequence, as they're already baked into the Preview. The exception to this is, as stated, the newly added Smart Rendering for limited MXF presets (and of course non-GOP formats like Uncompressed or DV).

Match Source Material in what format? MP4, F4V, something else? (My duncness shows though. )

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