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Editing Sony FX3 footage.

Community Beginner ,
Nov 11, 2021 Nov 11, 2021

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Is anyone else having difficulties editing Sony FX3 footage on their Premiere Pro timelines?

I'm using the latest version of Premiere on a 2020 Mac Mini M1 16GB RAM and my Sony FX3 footage are in 4K 29.97fps and 120fps put on a 1920x1080 25p sequence "25fps to match another main camera".

I had a similar problem before where my files used to glitch while playing them back or even rendering and the glitches where appearing on exports, that was fixed when Adobe Support team asked me to start Premiere using Intel mode which somehow sorted my problem back then. But now, I cant even read the playback altho no settings in camera has ever been changed. This is frustrating to be honest and I would really like to find myself a permenant solution. 

 

Thanks.

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Adobe Employee ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Hi ChrisKonjian,

 

We're sorry about the poor experience. We can get this checked. Let us know if you have used 4:2:2 10bit files in your timeline/project.

 

Thanks,

Sumeet

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Hello Sumeet,
Here is a detailed description of one of my video files:
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High 4:2:2@L5.1
Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 140 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 10 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.563
Stream size : 1.00 GiB (94%)
Encoded date : UTC 2021-11-07 20:27:42
Tagged date : UTC 2021-11-07 20:27:42
Color range : Full
Metas : 6
Codec configuration box : avcC


Now after transcoding to proxy I got able to playback the files but very strangely, the image brightness is differing between Proxy Toggled files and Original footage. I am kind of confused which one of them is my final output therefore am afraid to color balance on proxy and have a bad result of original files which I can't playback.
I have checked the original and the converted files in their file directory and they have no brightness difference, it is only appearing in Premiere.


Seems like Premiere doesn't really like the FX3 Sony camera and we're paying the price of that, it's slowing my work process very much and causing me a delivery delay and changing my work calendar.

Thanks and sorry for the hasstle.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Looking at the Color Range data ... full. Did you set full range in the camera? I don't know about that cam and what settings it might have. That shouldn't be 'full' for a 10-bit YUV file.

 

Neil

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Hello Neil!
Glad to have you posting on this one. Yes indeed, its 4:2:2 10Bit files. The camera is the FX3 from the Sony FX series.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 13, 2021 Nov 13, 2021

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 14, 2021 Nov 14, 2021

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Yes, I saw the 4:2:2 10 bit.

 

I was asking about the color space, as "full" is not normal for YUV Rec.709 media. I don't know if Pr is misreading the file header data, or if you've set the camera to use 'full' rather than 'limited' range, which is what it should be set for.

 

Neil

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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Neil, I'm sorry I misunderstood your previous comment, I have asked the cameraman and he told me that he has never changed or touched any of those settings on the camera.

I myself have not that much knowledge in the technical aspect of all of this. I just made sure that I'm on a 25fps 1920x1080 timeline and thats it.

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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So go to the bin in the Project panel, right-click a clip and select "Properties". Let's see what Pr "thinks" it sees in the clip's file header data.

 

And cross-checking Pr's thinking is always wise. Download/install the free utility MediaInfo, very handy applet. I'm on my tablet or I'd give the link. After you have an icon for that on the desktop, drag/drop the file from Explorer/Finder on top of the icon.

 

MediaInfo will open, go into that applet's "Tree" view. Give us a screen grab of the file video metadata. Let's check that against Pr.

 

Neil

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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Here's the properties from Pr: 

Original File:

Type: MPEG Movie

File Size: 288.14 MB

Image Size: 3840 x 2160

Frame Rate: 119.88

Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 24-bit - Mono Project

Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono

Total Duration: 00:00:07:060

Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0

Alpha: None

Color Space: Rec. 709 Color Space

Override: Off

Input LUT: None

Video Codec Type: MP4/MOV H.264 10 bit 4:2:2

 


Proxy file: (Just in case)
Type: QuickTime Movie

File Size: 23.26 MB

Image Size: 1024 x 540

Frame Rate: 60.00 "Is it normal he changes the fps when creating proxies?"

Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 16-bit - Mono Project

Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono

Total Duration: 00:00:07:30

Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0

Alpha: None

Color Space: Rec. 601

Color Space Override: Off Input

LUT: None

 

(The RAW Files brightness differed actually between Proxy created files and the Original ones and its surely not because I have adjusted anything there or accidentaly added an effect. I have just created Apple ProRes Proxies using Create Proxies in the Project bin and definetly my Effects Controls has no color related adjustment. Now I cannot know the result of my colouring because I'm unable to playback Original files and proxies came out brighter).  

Mediainfo: "Is not really free by the way on Macs you still gotta pay a cple of Canadian dollars for it".

Earlier in this thread where you first commented was actually a copy paste from Mediainfo but here's another snap for the same file I checked its properties on Pr.

Screen Shot 2021-11-15 at 1.02.41 PM.png

I want to inform you Neil that I am myself an experienced professional video editor. I just lost hope finding the solution myself and I'm not that much of a technical engineer. In another contact with Adobe support I was told that the problem was solved with their latest upgrade but that is not true actually. I really believe they have something against either M1 Macs or Sony FX3 camera's because my A7III never ends me here. 🙂  

 

Thanks again.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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They're actually pushing a ton of work on the M1s ... it's clearly a major emphasis. The number of M1 specific threads started by engineers in the public beta forum has been rather high comparared to all other development work.

 

And thanks for the details! That's very helpful. So clearly, that was recorded as a "full range" file, which is unusual for YUV Rec.709 media. And Pr may easily mishandle something like that in my experience. It expects Rec.709/YUV to be limited range encoded.

 

Could you upload a short clip from that camera for me to test?

 

Neil

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Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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I uploaded a Zip file that contains 4 files from the doomed Sony FX3 camera. 
The four files intentionally vary in frame rates. 23.976fps, 29.97fps, 59.94fps, 119.88fps and as I mentioned earlier, nothing is modified in camera settings other than the basic stuff. I am willing to share my screen with Adobe engineers or even provide more details about the issue I am facing whenever it is demanded.
 
Here is the WeTransfer link for the zip file:
 
Thanks
 

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Downloading now, I'll test this out hopefully this afternoon.

 

Neil

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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All four clips played fine on my 24-core Threadripper with a 2080Ti.

 

Here's the images showing program monitor and scopes panel ... and I was able to simply add a bit of of tonal/sat work in the Basic tab of Lumetri to get quite nice images whites through blacks. Nice clips, btw.

 

Wonder what the hay? Why is your rig not doing so well with them?

 

Neil

 

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Nov 15, 2021 Nov 15, 2021

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I also have my colleague who was able to play them normally on his windows based laptop. I believe the problem is with the M1 Macs actually. They're nice footage indeed, sadly I'm facing this issue and not being able to really enjoy them. I am wondering what my next step should be, how can I solve this problem and get on with the job.

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Well, let's see if we can get something happening. Not immediately sadly, but over time.

 

Neil

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