False Color view PLUS clean video output

[Guest]

Is there any option to see false color in premiere PLUS the clean video output? I found some workarounds using LUTs to get a false color view instead of just the waveform? I found some workaround using custom LUTs to see false color in Prmere, but then you dont have a clean video view anymore and have to switch back and forth. I am thinking about maybe using my atomos shinobi small on-camera monitor with an HDMI splitter cable to color grade in premiere just to be able to see a false colour view. But maybe there is an easier option? I think there are some third party apps, but maybe they draw lots of resources..

[Guest]

I think Omniscope False Color will be the best workaround.

[R Neil Haugen]

Peter is correct. Besides outboard scopes like Omniscope have better options.

[Guest]

Just found out: Omniscope False Color is only a Video Effect for Premiere. You can only use the "remote" version with a second external viewer window with resolve - not with premiere. 

[Guest]

Nobe Omniscope the full version works great - its just a little more expensive than the false colour app.

[R Neil Haugen]

I'm using full, didn't even remember they have a plug-in  ... oops.

[Guest]

Full looks nice. I like the skin tone overlay as well. With both I can quickly check if skin tones are fine and on the right brightness level without drawing any masks. Will definitely give it a try for this documentary in the next days.

[Guest]

Do you use the "Video" or "Pro" Version? Does Pro have any real advantages for you in everyday grading?

[R Neil Haugen]

I just got the pro, actually ... I started with Omniscope during their initial beta, and as I use it to work color while teaching colorists, didn't even look at all the options. Just got the full "colorists" version.

So I've never even read through differences.

[Guest]

The Demo works very nice... when its acually working. For some reason it often looses connection to mercury transmit and the screen is frozen. Even restarting Omniscope or deactivating and reeinabling mercury transmit then does not help. I can only restart premiere. And this happens quite frequently. Maybe its because I am using a Blackmagic Ultrastudio Monitor 3G at the same time... dont know.

[R Neil Haugen]

The BM gear for monitor out can be frustrating ... there's clearly a lot of if this then that but never Y if Z and ... they aren't obvious. I've seen so many posts on the BM forums about this, even in Resolve, where they can't get the right signal out, either resolution or bit depth.

"Well, although the X decklink would seem to work from a quick look at the documentation, actually if you read down to the fine details, that particular one only does "these" if "those" ... so you really need the Y decklink instead ... "

Then throw in that BlackMagic is about as kindergardner when working with others as Apple ... and definitely considers Adobe as ... not a friendly, shall we say. So getting good help from BM for issues with Adobe ... well, understand their profit model.

They provide Resolve as a loss-leader to get us to buy BM kit. And their kit is specifically not usable in anyone else's NLE. It's an entirely valid profit model, I understand it and accept it.  But their attitude is somewhat annoying.

Especially as I'm not a BM only gear person. I've got the Tangent panels for work in both Premiere and Resolve, and am not interested in cluttering up my desktop with Resolve only gear.

And of course, I have enough BM kit already to have the full Resolve studio without paying additional for it.  Yup, loss leader software ... 

[Guest]

You are right. BM hardware can be problematic. I had to switch from my Intensity shuttle USB to the TB 3G monitor because it wasnt supported anymore. And then you have to disable all security measures on the mac to make it work... 

But in this case BM isnt the problem. The connection to the BM stays active.

But I am loosing connection to omniscope nobe with mercury transmit.

I was just supposing maybe premiere has some issues when outputting mercury transmit to two devices at the same time.  

[R Neil Haugen]

I've only done a limited amount of two monitors set for T-O, which seemed to work. So I can't really give any data there. Have you checked with Tom at Omni? He's been really helpful and they've got a great Discord group.

Asking on their Discord might get a good bit of help from other users also.