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October 24, 2019
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How does premiere export 23.976 timeline to 24p output?

  • October 24, 2019
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I'm just curious how this actually works.

I have a 23.976 project. But I've been asked to export it as a 24p file. It's easy enough to do, i was a bit nervous of sound sync issues or strange image glitches but everything's actually perfectly fine.

Just trying to understand - how does Premiere actually do that? How does it change the framerate without affecting the sync or the smoothness of the video??

    Correct answer Averdahl

    I have seen glitches with that workflow.

     

    But, ask them if they really want 24.00 fps. Many people call both 23.976 and 24.00 for simply 24p. So by asking them what 24p means in their world can save you some work.

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    Inspiring
    October 25, 2019

    Hi lcagaiden,

     

    If you export 24fps from a 23.976fps sequence, Premiere will repeat a frame at certain intervals because 23.976 is slower. It's hard to noticed because it doesn't happen every second, as it would if you exported 25fps from a 24fps sequence.

     

    The only way to do this properly is to export your sequence in its native 23.976fps, then import that file into your project. In the project window, right click on your video go to Modify > Interpret Footage. A window will open that will allow you to set a frame rate manually for this clip. Choose "Assume this frame rate" and type in 24; click okay. The video will now play back at exactly 24fps. Create a new sequence that is exactly 24fps, name it accordingly, and drop your modified clip in it. You can now export this sequence to create a 24fps file that will not have repeated frames. When you export, the audio will be processed because you have changed the speed of the audio and it has to be resampled.

     

    Cheers,

    kinoks
    Inspiring
    March 13, 2025

    I would also apply Audio Pitch Shift -1 Cent. Right?

     

    MyerPj
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    Community Expert
    March 13, 2025

    This is an old thread. You can always try it and see what you think. I doubt if that will be worthwhile, especially in PP.

    Inspiring
    October 24, 2019

    Hint: the drop-frame 29.97 fps timecode is exactly 1 hour, the non-drop is ~3.6 seconds longer in true duration.

     

    The ONLY people who actually care about this accuracy are broadcasters because they all have to have the network affiliates on the same clock when jumping from network programing to local and back. If broadcasters used non-drop TC (where every single frame has a sequencial assending number) then all programming would be off by 3.6 seconds every hour. I deliver 30 second spots for broadcast several times a week and I use non-drop (don't tell anyone!) because the difference is undetectable in 30 seconds.

    Inspiring
    October 24, 2019

    Well, now that could depend on how you're measuring the duration.

    If you're using a video player or Premiere and simply checking the duration on the counter, it won't show a difference, you still have essentially 24 (23.976 or 24) frames per second and the ticker will turn over to 1 second after every 24 frames. If you could actually use (and trust) a stopwatch to measure the duration, you would see a 1/1000 difference in duration or about 5 seconds over a 1 hour 20 minute time span (if I have my math right?).

     

    Now, you've opened a different can of worms that salvo34 eluded to with the difference between non-drop and drop frame time code. In the 29.97fps world, 1 hour of non-drop frame timecode is not the same duration as 1 hour of drop-frame time code but a video player or Premiere will call them both 1 hour.

    Averdahl
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    AverdahlCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
    Community Expert
    October 24, 2019

    I have seen glitches with that workflow.

     

    But, ask them if they really want 24.00 fps. Many people call both 23.976 and 24.00 for simply 24p. So by asking them what 24p means in their world can save you some work.

    Inspiring
    October 24, 2019

    salvo34

    I respect your attempt at the explanation but the truth is that the U.S. interlaced field (not frame) rate was 60.0 until they had to create color television and make it reverse compatible with existing B&W TVs. The math used to create the color sub-carrier subsequently worked out to 29.97 fps (not 29.976). Now, 23.976 was a mathematical derivative of 29.97 for compatibility with 24fps motion picture film.

     

    Anyway... files are converted from 23.976 to 24.0 fps by speeding them up an inperceptable ~1/1000%

    The only time I have ever been asked for 24 fps is for projection in theaters.

    Inspiring
    October 24, 2019

    thanks...