In 25.3, Ripple Trim Edit to Playhead deletes markers at the ends

I hit send on this second reply by accident and now there’s no option to delete it?

I'm also hoping we get a toggle. Similar to someone above, I used timeline markers to mark the exact frame in the timeline that I need something to happen, which 90% of time means it’s where a specific clip should start.

So the fast, easy thing I’ve been able to do forever is use shortcuts to move the playhead to that marker, mark it as the in point, mark the start of the desired clip/segment as the out point, and trim. Voila! The clip starts on the exact frame I marked.

Now, because trimming deletes the marker as well, I have to spend twice as much time on every project adding back every single marker over and over and over again.

I gave up and started doing what others are now doing, using an adjustment layer to mark points in the timeline instead. But it’s ridiculous that a core behavior we’ve had for so long was removed and now needs an extra layer to fix, while implying that deleting the markers was superior need.

People who want to delete leftover markers already had fast ways to do that. They could right click and clear markers to get rid of all of them, or click on the specific ones they didn’t need anymore while holding shift and then right click to delete selected.

Saving them time getting rid of things they don’t need just increased everyone else’s time replacing what we do need. The only fair behavior is to make it an option we can enable or not.

Can you do it like it was? Is it really that hard when no one asked you to do it like it is now?1 But everyone asks to do it like it was!

Сможете ли вы сделать это так, как это было? Неужели это так сложно, когда никто не просил вас сделать так, как сейчас?1 Но все просят сделать так, как было!

It no longer functions as it did for YEARS before, so now I either need to find ways to make it work as it did, or "accept" that someone decided to change it because they wanted to, or remain on the old version, where it functions as it should!

At the same time, really useful features are not added, but breaking the logic of the usual workflow that you have become accustomed to over the years is welcome!

“Nice” and “Thank you”!

@Ben Insler  Yea I figured that was the reason.  Still, it's different than the behavior was for years before. Perhaps an option for this could also be added in the "Preferences > Trim" Menu.

Personally when I think of the marker's position, I think of it as "between" frames if it's lined up exactly with a cut.

@ThioJoe 

but still deletes when using Ripple Trim Previous Edit To Playhead

When you use Ripple Trim Previous Edit To Playhead, you are removing everything from the playhead all the way back to the previous edit point, which includes the first frame of the clip on the B-side of that edit.  The marker in your screencapture is aligned on the edit point, which means that it is aligned with the first frame of the B-side clip at this edit.  The behavior you are seeing where the marker gets removed with Ripple Trim Previous Edit To Playhead is the correct behavior: that marker should be removed as it is within (and at the very first frame of) the range being rippple-trimmed.

It can be easy to think of edit points as boundaries between two frames, but it's much more accurate to consider the placement of edit points and markers at the start of a frame - conceptually, there is no way a mark can exist between frames.  Considering this, no marker can be placed between two frames, and thus, will always be inside or outside of a marked In/Out section.

@Ben Insler Well it works as expected when the marker is at the cut and using Ripple Trim Next Edit To Playhead, but still deletes when using Ripple Trim Previous Edit To Playhead 🙃