In and out point sets out point 1 frame too far

When you think about it, there is NO such thing as an "OUT" point. All marked points are address points for the next frame. If you mark an IN point where you want your clip to start from, the following frame is included in the clip. If you mark an OUT point at the end of your clip, the following frame will be included in your clip. That's not what you want. It's the wrong address point. So, set the mark at the START of the LAST frame you want included in the edit or render.

A poor analogy. House street numbers. If I said go to house #6 you would go to house-frame number #6, as #6 is included in your instruction. If I said go to #7, that would be included in your instruction. But that is past the house you want, you want #6. So, only include the address of the house-frame you want, NOT the next one, as #7. Not #7 house-frame as that is not what you want included.

This behavior has been in Premiere for as long as I can remember.

Simple solution is to lasso the clips and use the Forward Slash.

Pretty sure this didn't happen until the last 2 updates so I also confirm: pretty damn silly to skip to the end of a sequence with the arrow button and then having to go back one frame to select the OUT point

The CTI has never, in any professional NLE, been a somewhat theoretical space ... it's always, only, connected to a frame. As video sequences only have frames. Even if there isn't video "there" yet, sequences are sequential image frames. Period.

Yea, that seems odd at first, but there are actually solid reasons for it, and not just 'historic' ones. But it does take a bit of getting used to. Like ... the need for "handles" for most transitions. Similar thing for those new, as of course I was once.

So I've been through the understanding and thinking you are "in" ... but that was before getting a deeper understanding of why this video post processing is what it is.

I also struggled with why pro video post was so different than pro stills work ... it's just images, right?

Well ... no, video images, and therefore the required processing, are several orders of magnitude more complex and demanding than working stills. That also took me awhile to fully understand.

Whether it's coming into video from stills, or even going from one NLE to another, an awful lot of the necessary process is leaving behind past concepts, and learning the appropriate ones for this NLE or process.

I work in both Premiere and Resolve. There's a ton of things in Resolve I wish were more like Premiere. But ... to work in Resolve, I need to work as Resolve is designed to work. And ... the CTI behavior is consistent between them, btw ...

Yes, I get it there are no spaces in between. That means the CTI is at the exact point where one frame ends an the next begins. What everyone here complaining thought, was that the O function would then select the last frame, the one that we are seeing. It should select the end of the previous frame, exactly where the CTI is, not the end of the one that is about to begin. So everytime I have to export a file separately from others in the same sequence I have to remember to go back one frame before pressing O.

So, yes. In this case at least, I really mean to say all professional motion video designers up to today are stupid.

Your premise is this behavior is a stupid Adobe thing. I disagree with that premise. As in operation, all professional NLEs have exactly the same behavior. So therefore, according to your basic premise, Avid, Resolve, all stupid. Fascinating thought, that. All professional video/movie software is wrong and stupidly built.

Did you really mean to say all professional motion video designers up to today are ... stupid?

So ... I'll provide a bit of information for someone new to this, as I was at one point. Something I also once stumbled into, like I did a ton of other things.

And because I was a noob a few years back myself, I'm well aware this isn't "intuitive". 

As I'm also well aware, that in a complex, complicated high-level professional app, a lot of things won't be "intuitive" for those starting out. Lose the expectation of "intuitive" as a newer worker. Learn how things actually work in professional applications. (After you learn, it's a lot easier to have discussions on real "intuitive" processes in professional workflows, and there are some dolt things here no doubt.)

On a timeline/sequence, no matter what you call it, there are no spaces. Only frames. Period. That is the nature of motion video. It exists only as frames.

The playhead, or Current Time Indicator (CTI) shows the current location of the 'playhead', meaning which frame is playing. It does not, nor can it, indicate a space, as no such thing as a space exists.

So the position of the playhead always selects the next frame down the sequence. Always.

If you want it to select a space between frames, then ... you won't be able to use the playhead to select frames without additional commands as to which frames to select.

There are keyboard commands for things like going to the last frame of the current clip. Or of course, as with any complex professional app, a wee bit of learning. Like ... if you use the next clip or end of sequence command, meaning you've told the CTI  to go to and select X frame, then you need to auto-tap the back arrow key before performing whatever action you want. Or, if you're already on the last clip, use the go-to-last-frame command instead of go to next clip.

It really isn't that hard. No it isn't obvious at first. And like a few hundred other things in pro editing apps, it's something to simply learn and move on to learning the next twenty non-obvious things. So there is a steep learning curve.

And it was just as much a pain in the tushie for the more experienced person, when new, as it is for you now.

But get some learing and some experience, and well ... you'll join the Club. Where everyone does everything different from any other editor, but normally assumes everyone else does it like they do.

Which I find rather humorous, but so very, very human.

Yes, as people are saying - this sets the position of the out point on the next frame, but what Adobe doesn't know is that - IT IS HIGHLY NON INTUITIVE. And their priority when it comes to producing software is - lack of intuitiveness, so it works as expected - following their priorities. It is a stupid function of course, for a normal user and it shouldn't be there, because you always have to go back 1 frame. It's not how it's supposed to work, because you are framing a certain part of the video, it's supposed to end on the end of the clip, not add 1 extra frame. So annoying, but expected from Adobe.

Ann, once again you taught a fabulous shortcut. The forward slash to set in and out is amazing.

Stan

Yup ... that works.

There's also two keyboard shortcuts that you can set to a useful 'short' ... Go to Selected Clip-end, and Go to Sequence-Clip end.

Neil