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brandtryan
Inspiring
February 6, 2022
Question

Maintaining subclip metadata - banging head against wall :(

  • February 6, 2022
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I have 6 AVI files ranging from 30 - 55 minutes in length - captured back in the day over firewire from a miniDV camera. Each file contains dozens and dozens of slated individual takes (it's a short film). I created subclips for each take. I added a lot of metadata to each subclip, camera angle/shot size/scene/setup/take# and even the dialog that is spoken in each take. Great right?

 

I've decided to use the Production feature, as my project file was getting pretty large. So for simplicity's sake, let's say I just have two project files in my Production - the above "Subclips" project (which only contains the subclips) and a "Scene 01" project, which contains a single sequence. I select the subclips I require for the scene and pull them from the Subclips project into the Scene01 project - and presto! my Scene01 project has the clips in the sequence, though the project itself still just has one item in it - the sequence file (and thus the beauty of Production feature).

 

However, when I select the same clip in my Scene 01 file and look at metadata, it does not contain metadata anymore - I suppose because it is now another "instance" of the subclip?

 

Of course the subclips in the "Subclips" project (and in the Scene01 project) ultimately point back to one of the 6 "master" AVI files, e.g. if I match frame it will pull up relevant AVI file. So there is no point in my "Dynamically Linking" my metadata with source clip - as my sour clips are 45 minute long video files, so, e.g. if I use the Scene dynamically linked metadata field and input "01" on a subclip for scene 01, it will mark the entire 45 min long AVI file as being scene 01, though many of the takes within that file are fore scene 02.

 

I want to maintain my metadata when I use subclips. I've tried looking into exporting and importing metadata, and even went so far as to export each subclip in the original format as a new piece of media (which works) - but I'm wondering if I've lost some quality - I obviously want to use the original footage, as initially captured.

 

I think I understand the difference between source clips, subclips and instances of each - but have to wonder, with all footage these days being captured on media cards, how the workflow should go when you have single large files with many setups and takes. Perhaps it's done during the "Capture" - but I can't go back in time and recapture the files from the miniDV (they are lost).

 

Am I making sense? I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental about the subclip workflow - but have searched high and low and so threw in the towel and am asking for help here.  

 

Thanks for any replies!

 

 

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R Neil Haugen
Legend
February 6, 2022

Productions is designed so that the image files 'live' in that original project file, and are simply referenced into the sequence project. So it is assumed you would still access that metadata from the media project.

 

And of course, it's assumed both those projects are in your production. That's the beauty of Productions mode.

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
brandtryan
Inspiring
February 6, 2022

Hi Neil,

 

I think I get what you're saying. For some reason I just want to click on a clip in my sequence project and see matching metadata, e.g. my "circle" takes, or all CU's that contain the dialog "Banging head", marked "Good" - but the only value of filtering those clips would be to put them in a, e.g., selects sequence, which as you noted, is easily done by using the "media project", filtering on those same metadata fields, grabbing those clips and placing them in the sequence project (which is precisely what I've already done!) lol. The lightbulb went off after I read your reply. I suppose it just scares me when I don't see the metadata on the clip in the sequence.

 

Is the assumption here that once things start making their way onto the timeline, all of the usefulness of the metadata should have already been utilized?

 

I've been accused of over-thinking things.

 

brandtryan
Inspiring
February 7, 2022

I don't create a separate Source clip or whatever they call it now unless I'm going to be moving it out of the Production. As within that Production, you have all the data available. That's how they're built. It isn't missing data.

 

Neil


No missing data - agreed - now that I know that when I cull clips from the "media" project, they are not merely references, but new "instances" (though they do carry over marker data). Markers come over, but label colors do not.

 

When I initially posted, I didn't realize they would be new "instances" of the subclips, and so thought they were missing data.

 

Maybe I'll make a video showing how this works for newbies working with productions - might be helpful.