MOGRT animation messed up after resizing sequence.

Excellent suggestion, Jarle ... testing on people who've never talked with the engineers or anyone. Trying to puzzle out ... is there anything intuitive here? That feels like "it just belongs this way ... "

Neil

There's a couple things that have popped up as issues to work through here that most of us don't always think about ... if ever.

1) There is a difference in how Premiere works with text on screen between "text on point" and "text in a box". Most of us haven't a clue there's a difference to begin with.

Text on a Point ... you simply click for a starting point for your text in the program monitor, and start typing. That process uses a relationship to the spot you clicked to "see" an anchor point, and several parameters in changing things work in a particular fashion with text entered in this manner. I don't recall them at the moment.

Text in a Box ... click/drag to create a "bounding box" on screen, then start typing your text in the box. Premiere "sees" a different anchor point for this process, and also in the way some other parameters are applied. Again, I can't recall the specific differences. Dacia can post them.

2) There is another difference between the methods of position/scaling/rotation of the Vector/Motion controls and the EGP position/scaling/rotation controls ... which behave as those controls are found within the Effects Control Panel for the specific graphic items as they are listed.

In general ... you will get more predictable graphics motion if you use the position/scaling/rotation controls of the EGP or in the ECP for the specific graphic items.

Also ... to make sure things animate together, select the things that need to animate as a unit in the EGP listing, and create a Group. Animate the group.

Neil

DACIA!!!!!

Thanks for popping in! Yea this is puzzling us quite a bit here. Your assistance will be so appreciated.

And for those that don't know, this is one of the most experienced and brightest brains on mogrts across Adobe apps that exists. Besides being such a delightful person.

Neil

I've picked up a bit of information about this.

Premiere essentially "sees" Ae mogrts the same as video clips ... so it doesn't make any changes to them due to any resizing or  framesize/proportions changes to the sequence. No more than it does for any base video clip on a sequence.

However ... mogrts created in Pr are still "seen" as comprised of their various elements, and Pr tries to "protect" those elements when size/proportion changes are made.

First, if any elements are not pinned by the user, Pr will automatically set the anchor for that element to the upper left corner. This is why things tend to pop up/left.

Second, text will automatically be resized in any shrinking of image size by frame/proportion changes in order to "protect" that text from running off the screen.

These are not necessarily the behaviors that "we" will always want. So I think a UserVoice request for an option to NOT apply auto-changes on resize would be a good thing.

And yea ... further evidence why creating mogrt in Ae is so often better than in Pr.

Neil

Even with pinning, after some things that 'resize' the frame or change proportions, graphics will resize. Which is where grouping and then resizing the group can save time and provide accuracy.

It would be awful nice to have options for when it DOES change size.

Neil

Jarle (as nearly always!) has the answer.

Pinning ... and as shown in my graphic, there are several possible things to pin to ...

First, select the items you want to "pin" to something from the top list, as in this example, I selected the text line of "Debbie's New Digs". And note, you can select several items from that list or create a group.

Then to "pin" the selected item/s to one or more borders of the frame-size, you can use the odd shaped icon to the right of the "Pin To" option to select the entire frame or say as in this example, the left and right borders of the frame. You can tell as they are blue not grey.

If you don't want to pin to a border, you can also use the drop-down Pin To box to set the option you've chosen above to be "attached" ... pinned to ... an element you're selecting in the drop down box. Then if the item in the Pin To drop-down box is moved, the item you'd selected above will be moved accordingly.

And again, you can select one or more options from the top box at a time ... you can group things, and move the group ... so you have plenty of options. And I'd suggest creating something with multiple items of text and graphics at different sizes/locations, and then working the pinning options before resizing the sequence to a different proportion to see how each type of option affects movements due to proportion and size changes.

Neil

I think you're correct that if the aspect ratio of the sequence changes, Premiere doesn't correctly handle re-locating the graphic elements and their animation. Which ... they added auto-reframe because of the need to be able to re-aspect sequences for different formats.

You'd expect this would work as you're trying to do so. But it isn't for you, and I think I've heard others say similar things.

I just changed a sequence from UHD to HD, then to 1080 square. Animations all stayed "together" between text/graphics ... the notable change was on the 1080 square, the text/graphics items dropped to about half the size on the HD settings. Why sometimes work for some, and other times for others, doesn't?

Neil

I've just done a bit of work where I've created a mutli-part mogrt, with graphic box and text moving, and applied it on HD or UHD sequences ... it appeared the same and the animation worked as expected.

I've also done this with the included mogrts.

I created two different two-part mogrts with both parts animated on a UHD sequence, and then dragged an included mogrt with motion effects onto the sequence. Played fine.

Changed the sequence settings to HD, without bothering to check the resizing option for graphics in the Sequence Settings dialog, and everything scaled and behaved as hoped for ... identical views on both UHD and HD sequence size.

I've heard others with the same issue you're having ... and am trying to figure out the differences that would lead to this.

Neil