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Moving to Premier Pro from Davinci

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August 14, 2018
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Hi guys, I'm mainly a Davinci/Vegas user for work. I'd like to move to Premier Pro as I believe it will give me better results when exporting etc.

How different is the workflow from the programs I'm used to to Premier?

Am I starting from scratch, or are there some transferable skills I can use?

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rodneyb56060189

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P.S.

I am in touch now with 2 guys who shoot ( DP). One is famous. One worked doing episodic stuff for years on a show YOU and everyone in the world knows.

One uses Resolve ( the episode guy ) for his work ( now retired shooting some log S stuff ).

The other is in the hands of the showrunner and network.

Trust me, Adobe is not in that mix and if they don't get their heads screwed on right they never will be.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

p.s.

not many know this but you can make an appt. at MOMA to look at the original prints of Bresson and others. You have to wear white cotton gloves and trust you not to hurt the originals.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

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Everything from VR and the YouTube channel folks to some real life Hollywood work

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As much as I love you, this is where your logic (rational thought and reality ) falls apart.

This forum (for many years ) has predominantly been trying to prove that the software is up to par with some fiction called " Hollywood". What you mean, specifically, is either

1) TV episodic aired by networks shot in FILM format

or

2) BIG SCREEN theatre release.

That's it. Period.

It's NOT sports, football or any video venue. It's NOT reality TV or Judge Judy or Oprah. Or cooking shows, or documentaries.

It's based on FILM format ( now digital ) and although everyone hates the fact that they never worked on " HOLLYWOOD" productions to make a living ( with health care, pension, etc. ) and sometimes even HATE the fact that they somehow feel like they failed in life because they didn't get to do that ( which is stupid and self defeating ), there's no sense in BLAMING anyone or putting things on a shelf to the extent it makes us blind to what QUALITY IS. Think of the actors of the past hundred years. Think of those who acted on Broadway AS well as in films. Do you really FAULT that whole talent pool of great individuals just because you didn't work on that stuff ??? That's insane.

REAL LIFE HOLLYWOOD STUFF is NOT some fiction. And it is NOT something to be looked UP to or degenerated based on some personal experience making a living.

Just like YOU can appreciate Bresson's work as a photographer, even if you NEVER shot a photo in your life, you wouldn't DREAM of saying, " photography done by Adobe apps is wonderful even for ( in some cases) FINE ART "

The logic is not there.

Jim Simon, for years, promoted this program on PC like a demon. He wanted to see it become a top notch PRO program for real HOLLYWOOD films. His heart must be broken by now, because we have a melting pot of hobbyists who want to do cat videos and real estate drone footage, and some who really want to push the software further.

I am 67 and I really don't care what happens. I worked on HOLLYWOOD stuff as a worm to get a simple life financed ( free lance) and never ever did editing professionally.

I just wish the rhetoric would get more down to earth and not be so divided re: the value of what people do to be creative.

jasontcox

Inspiring

Honestly, that's a challenging question to answer as a lot depends on your skill level and comfort in what you were using and your comfort with change. No two video editing applications are the same, but at the same time, there is SOME overlap in all of them. The basic mechanics rarely change. But yes, many keyboard shortcuts are different. Setting up a project and sequence are different. Some terminology is different. Menus are in different places. But the idea of setting in and out points on a clip and dragging into a sequence are very similar from program to program. It's the nitty gritty that starts to vary.

Just curious, why do you think Premiere will give you better results when exporting vs Resolve? Both programs are capable of very high quality out puts as well as very file size efficient outputs.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

Resolve was basically ( according to my limited understanding ) a color grading program that got bought by Black Magic. Since then Black Magic has been turning it into an NLE. According to some news reports there is a push to make it MORE of an NLE with some color grading aspects that have proven desirable to various professionals in the past.

As you know, Resolve has gain, lift, etc. ( and nodes) while PPro, speedgrade, Lumetri, and vegas, has different nomenclature and to some extent different futures. Resolve will be nits while PPro will be IRE, stuff like that.

Black Magic has deep pockets ( there are beta releases available so users can help them iron out problems between the gazillion different computer platforms out there). But they make good cameras for pro use and will probably continue that. Whereas DSLR companies and go pro stuff and iPhone stuff is fascinating, the pro stuff will drive the pro market in the future.

Adobe has ( since the days of losing it's partnership in pro graphics with Apple and Quark Xpress ) been leaning to the hobby horse market share of pie. Simple marketing stuff. Pretty soon Adobe will introduce the VERTICAL FRAME for movie makers, thinking that will attract yet more subscribers who shoot feature films with their iphones.

In all my years working on film sets ( am retired ) I have NEVER seen a pc clone on set. I have NEVER seen Adobe on set.

Macs, and FCP, yes. Resolve, NO...that is post.

That said, if you have the brain power to remember the menu systems and processes of several different NLE's and grading programs, why not just play around with PPro ??

I personally think it's doomed, but I've thought that for about 15 years and it amazingly keeps attracting users ( subscribers now ).

R Neil Haugen

Legend

I know a number of major colorists, teaching all over the world besides doing major work for b-cast/films. A good number of them have gone from Mac to PC's in the last 18 months, due to Mac being darn slow at releasing upgraded capabilities ... what, five years between new mobo's on a gazillion dollar machine?

So they've got screaming rigs for working Resolve and the several other apps they also need to use (including PrPro) that are often dual-boot Pc/Linux rigs. One particularly is a notorious gear-head, ended up spending what a Mac would have cost but was thrilled that he got a TON more capability.

A few others I know still are with Macs, because well ... they've been on Macs since middle school. But when the head of the company says "I truly don't know why anyone buys a desktop these days ... " ... well, that ain't good. They'll take your money though. And they've been pushing new OS updates with at times less care on the bug-side than MS. This forum used to be a ton more MS bugs than Macs, and well ... that's at least even if not slightly reversed.

FCPx really broke that hold, when it first came out, a ton of FCP users moved, many to PrPro, some to Avid. Avid is still the big bugger on the block in Hollywood but they've gotten sort of long in the tooth on a number of things and both PrPro and FCPx are getting some traction there. The aisle talks at NAB among editors/video post people on who's grass is greenest are rather fascinating.

You're right on BlackMagic though ... they're a hardware company trying to get people to buy their hardware by producing software that requires their hardware. Got Resolve, wanna do an external box to run monitors? Um ... BM boxes only, note! Being as their profits are built on the hardware sales, the software is just candy to trap a market for hardware. That said, they're trying to run a very interesting trap.

Adobe is a software-only company. So they gotta make their dough only on software. Market share is undoubtedly a higher concern. And they've been actually quite good at keeping their market share moving up. Everything from VR and the YouTube channel folks to some real life Hollywood work. However, a couple major miss-steps, and there's other apps out there gonna want to eat your lunch. It's rather a competitive market.

As to how say Resolve and PrPro run, that's intriguing. For straight and simple editing R can go on a decently small machine, but if you get into the very nice and dense weed patch for color toys ... um, TOOLS! ... lol ... you can suddenly see your computer slog to a near halt. PrPro runs great on some machines, not so good on others, and that can be fun to sort.

The guys from Puget Sound Systems and SafeHarbor computing both say that the choice of mobo is crucial, that most mobo's don't split up the resources to different busses/tracks whatever they call it these days as is needed in video post apps.

For the OP, working in R and PrPro is similar except when it ain't. And really, that's a very informative comment.

PrPro has a much wider & deeper set of presets/effects/functions than Resolve for editing, and is tied into a better fx app than is in Resolve ... or perhaps better stated, a deeper/wider fx app. Audition is a better featured DAW than what's in Resolve.

In color ... yea, I can rag out Lumetri in PrPro. But Resolve is still for many the king of grading apps for most pro work, yea, there's a couple others for "film" guys/gals but realistically Resolve is the major grading app.

For many projects, what's in Resolve for general work is probably good enough. Even for certain workflows, into some major things. As of the two current releases, PrPro is still vastly deeper for editing. For now. And Lumetri is probably easier to learn for many color things than Resolve, even though R has the total tool-set thing locked up.

I think being able to work in both is probably a good thing for longevity of career ...

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Carlos Ziade

Community Expert

I can say the basics are the same in between Resolve and Premiere Pro, concerning Vegas I have no idea of that one.

Timeline, project bins, editing tools, how to import and export are a lot identical, some few things differ concerning basic stuff...

When you go for color grading. Lumetri and Davinci Resolve start to look different, where one is node based while the other

works on layers and clips ...

But mainly, it won't be that big issue for you to move to Premiere Pro.... Welcome !

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