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Karel Bata
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August 15, 2009
Answered

Moving tracks up and down...?

  • August 15, 2009
  • 11 replies
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So easy to do in PS AE etc, but a real mystery in PP...

And is it possible to insert a track?

Cheers!

    Correct answer Colin Brougham

    Thanks.

    But that is ridiculous. Moving tracks or layers is standard practice in so much other software.

    I'm currently working on something that has (at its peak) five small windows with different clips with lots of edits running with their own effects. At times I've wanted to reprioritise a track (to put it above another) so just draggng a track up would have been a quick way of doing it.

    How disappointing - and a shame the project is too long for AE!

    Currently waiting to see if Encore (having spent an hour transcoding) decides to throw up another error message! And why doesn't it just say there's a problem an hour ago? "Legacy issues" I'm told on the relevant forum. Sheesh....


    But that is ridiculous. Moving tracks or layers is standard practice in so much other software.

    I assume you're talking about software like After Effects or Photoshop, which contain "layers" and not "tracks" in the way that Premiere Pro, and any other editor for that matter, have them . Perhaps it's a semantic difference, but it's an important one: in Adobe software, a "layer" contains one and only one footage item or graphical element, whereas a "track" can contain one or more footage items or graphical elements. In After Effects, you HAVE to seperate footage items by both time (X-axis) and stacking order (Y-axis)--that's simply how it works. However, with Premiere, you only necessarily have to seperate footage items by time (X-axis)--if you can do everything on one track, so be it.

    If you were able to drag tracks up and down in the stacking order (Y-axis), you may be able to achieve the layering effect you want at a certain point in time in your sequence, but you would also change the stacking order for the entire duration of the sequence. This may be what you want, or what you don't want, but I would submit that most people would never need this kind of functionality. How often does one need to completely rearrange the stacking order of an entire sequence? I know that I never need this; it's only small portions of time where I need to rearrange items on the Y-axis. I just think this capability would be so rarely needed that there is no point adding it; it could potentially cause more trouble than good.

    I'm currently working on something that has (at its peak) five small windows with different clips with lots of edits running with their own effects. At times I've wanted to reprioritise a track (to put it above another) so just draggng a track up would have been a quick way of doing it.

    You might consider nesting each track (or track segment) in its own sequence, so at least you're only dragging one element up and down, instead of multiple small clips. Just add one empty track to serve as a temporary landing zone, that you can move an individual nest into, and then continue to reshuffle until you get the order you want. I realize this isn't what you really want, but it's the best workaround I can think of.

    How disappointing - and a shame the project is too long for AE!

    Why is it too long for AE? After Effects has something like a 3 or 4-hour limit to a comp, which I imagine would be pretty difficult for most people to exceed. It would be a bit of a pain to manage, I suppose, but you could do it.

    Alternately, if you've got the suite and therefore Dynamic Link, just select the clips in the section of timeline you're trying to work with, and select Replace with After Effects Composition. That chunk of timeline will be sent to AE and the clips will be stacked as individual layers in the same order they're in in the PPro sequence. From there, you can organize and reorganize things to your heart's content, and that will be reflected in your PPro sequence. You may want to consider creating nested sequences in PPro first, because those will be recreated in your AE comp as nested precomps. Might make layer management a bit more friendly.

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    Harm_Millaard
    Inspiring
    August 15, 2009

    The help is useful in some cases. This may be one of them. Drag and drop is one solution and insert track is another solution. Go to the menu and select Sequence/Add track... How difficult can it be, but there are other workflows.

    Sorry, but this is such a basic question that if you need to ask this, it is better to get a basic education first or consult the manual, help file and study some tutorial.

    Participating Frequently
    August 28, 2020

    What a completely inane and worthless answer this is - sorry, but this is such a basic function that if you don't understand why you might want to do this, it is better to get a basic education first or consult the manual, help file and study some tutorial. 

     

    Why would you want to move a track? Well, if you have a large session and labels assigned to each track, and then (with audio) have these tracks sent to specific submixes, then creating a new track will require you to re-label each track and then change the submix routing as well. It's not the end of the world, but a simple function that would save time. 

     

     

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    August 28, 2020

    I'm sorry - I'm not understanding what seems painfully obvious here. The original post was asking how to move tracks, which you can't do in Premiere. Yes, you can move layers, create new tracks, there are a hundred workarounds for this, but to not be able to see why this wouldn't be something you'd want to do - and then lazily and pointlessly call into question the poster's editing ability is, as I said, inane. 


    Again, if that is of interest ... go upvote or make the request. I for one would happily upvote it.

     

    It's been requested by some users over what, eleven years? But compared to many other things, it's actually been mentioned only rarely. Given the thousands of people using Premiere every day, that would indicate that the over base isn't pining for this particular thing.

     

    But some of them, if it was available ... would probably find it quite useful.

     

    We all have our own ways of looking at what is a useful workflow. And are welcome to post on this user to user forum. There is nothing about one person stating they don't find something useful that is demeaning or dismissive, it's simply stating the obvious: they as one person don't find X feature to be of use. And is as valid a point as some other person wanting that same feature.

     

    It's a discussion ... with different viewpoints.

     

    But again, I'd be happy to upvote the idea. I might even use it occasionally if it was available, but ... certainly not every day.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...